Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

 

[Homajon]

this is the kind of cognitive dissonance bubble Iranians lives in when it come to Pakistan. You are making lot of claims without backing them up. Let's deconstruct your arguments

1. There is no IF and buts, The indian intelligence operative was based in Iran and caught in Pakistan while crossing iranian side. Iranian government never deny the claim that Indian operative was living in Iran. So where is that IF coming from?

1.5. Where are the proofs or reports that say Pakistan is sponsoring terrorism inside Iran since early 2000's?

Well, a simple Google search would easily give you enough sources, but let's hear it directly from a Pakistani professor:

More than meets the smile: Iran–Pakistan’s strategic chessboard

If you ever want to know what two countries really care about, don’t listen to the speeches. Watch what words they never quite say alone. In the case of Iran and Pakistan, one word keeps showing up…

www.middleeastmonitor.com

Iran’s position is straightforward, and it has been repeated in various forms for decades: stay out of our fights with the US and Israel, keep American and allied military activity off your soil, and don’t let your territory be used for subversive operations against us.

This is not an abstract concern. Tehran remembers very clearly how Washington, particularly in the 2000s, used Pakistan’s Balochistan province as a launchpad for anti-Iranian operations. These included support for Iranian Baloch separatists, covert backing of the Mojahedin-e Khalq (MEK), and other militant outfits eager to cause trouble inside Iran.

The irony, of course, is that some of these same networks later turned their sights on Pakistan itself. After 9/11, as the US military footprint in Afghanistan expanded, Baloch separatists and other armed groups became useful tools not just for pressuring Iran, but also for destabilizing Pakistan when Washington wanted to exert leverage.

Iran has long been aware of the double game. And while Tehran is pragmatic enough to maintain relations with Islamabad even under pro-US leadership, it also has red lines. As one senior Iranian official reportedly told Pakistani counterparts during the recent delegation visit:

“We want a very good relationship with Pakistan. But if Pakistan restarts cooperation with the US in subversive activities from Balochistan, Iran will make Balochistan a nightmare for Pakistan.”

When you now say this all happened against the will of Pakistani leadership, ok, then everything what India does on Iranian soil is also against the will of the Iranian leadership.

2. Pakistan is not blaming Iran. Houthis themselves have claimed live on TV that they are running joint military operation room with Iranians. How can someone be so deft and deny what Houthis are saying?

Nobody denies that.

2.5 Once again the cognitive dissonance is displayed so blatantly that Saudis are blockading Houthis. There was no blockade until July.

3. The most ignorant part of your post is Pakistan is part of Israel nexus? WTH. How many Israeli agents are in Iran who assisante Iranian leadership at will vs How many are there in Pakistan? That would tell you who are more Pro-Israeli and is part of ISraeli axis.

I gave you articles from Pakistani experts.
And your evidence is killings of Iranian leaders. Why should Israel kill Pakistani leaders

 

[r3alist]

Did Qatar profusely nominate Trump for the peace prize repeatedly?

Yea so what, it's geopolitics, USA is a factor in Pakistan India wars, and nuclear posturing.


a one liner that had no real world meaning , and who puts weight on the Nobel prize anyway

 

[Bratva]

Qatar is not much better, both are overtly subservient to the USA and Trump. Did Qatar profusely nominate Trump for the peace prize repeatedly?

Trump helped stop Nuclear war b/w Pakistan-India for which Pakistan profusely nominated him which has nothing to do with Iran. Did Pakistan badmouth Iran by going to USA? Saudia or Kuwait? Did Pakistan backstab Iran? Did Pakistan double crossed Iran at any given point during ceasefire? Did Pakistan screwed Iran ?

Meanwhile this is Qatar




Did it stop Pakistan from defending Iranian interests and opening trade routes for Iranians? This is what mediator does.

And what did Iranian leadership did? They were profusely shaking hands and were hand in hand with Indian Narendra Modi last month. Iran went to Afghanistan, which Pakistan is fighting with and bad mouthed Pakistan from there.

Let me claim that Iran is subservient to Hindus and extremist talibans. How is that for whataboutism?

Shows the character of leadership of Iran and the people who are defending the statement made in Afghanistan by that hardliner.

 

[r3alist]

Trump helped stop Nuclear war b/w Pakistan-India for which Pakistan profusely nominated him which has nothing to do with Iran. Did Pakistan badmouth Iran by going to USA? Saudia or Kuwait? Did Pakistan backstab Iran? Did Pakistan double crossed Iran at any given point during ceasefire? Did Pakistan screwed Iran ?

Meanwhile this is Qatar




Did it stop Pakistan from defending Iranian interests and opening trade routes for Iranians? This is what mediators does cuz it is trying to please the enemies of Pakistan by bad mouthing Pakistan when it goes to India and Afghanistan. How is that for whataboutism?

And what did Iranian leadership did? They were profusely shaking hands and were hand in hand with Indian Narendra Modi last month. Iran went to Afghanistan, which Pakistan is fighting with and bad mouthed Pakistan from there.

Let me claim that Iran is subservient to Hindus and extremist talibans. How is that for whataboutism?

Shows the character of leadership of Iran.

To add...

If Pakistan is subservient to USA why did they fall out during Afghan operation

And iran offered support against Taliban

Why is Pakistan in the Chinese military camp in the most meaningful ways?

Why did Pakistan refuse initial Yemen war


And when Iran fired a missile I still don't know why, they got one back




The common answer is their national interest, it's ok for Pakistan to have one fyi!

 

[r3alist]

 

[Ali_Baba]

Aimed at who? That is the question right now.

 

[Arash]

Iran should really target Israeli politicians with high priority.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Trump helped stop Nuclear war b/w Pakistan-India for which Pakistan profusely nominated him which has nothing to do with Iran. Did Pakistan badmouth Iran by going to USA? Saudia or Kuwait? Did Pakistan backstab Iran? Did Pakistan double crossed Iran at any given point during ceasefire? Did Pakistan screwed Iran ?

Meanwhile this is Qatar




Did it stop Pakistan from defending Iranian interests and opening trade routes for Iranians? This is what mediator does.

And what did Iranian leadership did? They were profusely shaking hands and were hand in hand with Indian Narendra Modi last month. Iran went to Afghanistan, which Pakistan is fighting with and bad mouthed Pakistan from there.

Let me claim that Iran is subservient to Hindus and extremist talibans. How is that for whataboutism?

Shows the character of leadership of Iran and the people who are defending the statement made in Afghanistan by that hardliner.

You are equating Iran visiting its Muslim neighbours with Pakistan nominating Trump for a nobel peace prize. That is such a stupid comparison that it doesn’t merit a response.

 

[Arash]

That would be good.
All these aircrafts in the same place...

 

[Arash]

All these donkeys smiling in the back..... they don't even understand they have been fooled .....

 

[UKBengali]

Aimed at who? That is the question right now.

Exactly those 500(all of them) must hit the Zionist entity and take out power plants and water desalination plants.


Huge numbers will get through after first 200-300 as Zio-US would be rapidly depleted of what interceptors they have left.

Iran needs to end this for good with a crippling strike on the Zionists squatting in Palestine.

 

[r3alist]

 

[Irfan Baloch]

this is the kind of cognitive dissonance bubble Iranians lives in when it come to Pakistan. You are making lot of claims without backing them up. Let's deconstruct your arguments

1. There is no IF and buts, The indian intelligence operative was based in Iran and caught in Pakistan while crossing iranian side. Iranian government never deny the claim that Indian operative was living in Iran. So where is that IF coming from?

1.5. Where are the proofs or reports that say Pakistan is sponsoring terrorism inside Iran since early 2000's?

2. Pakistan is not blaming Iran. Houthis themselves have claimed live on TV that they are running joint military operation room with Iranians. How can someone be so deft and deny what Houthis are saying?

2.5 Once again the cognitive dissonance is displayed so blatantly that Saudis are blockading Houthis. There was no blockade until July. Then Iranians tried to land the plan in Houthi controlled area to supply them with military advisors and shipments. Saudis has repeteadly told Houthis and Iranians that it is a redline for them, don't do that. But Houthi's violated the ceasefire terms and this round of hostilities started

2.75. Why Iranians always try to blame ssaudis and never take ownership of their actions which instigates the conflicts ?

3. The most ignorant part of your post is Pakistan is part of Israel nexus? WTH. How many Israeli agents are in Iran who assisante Iranian leadership at will vs How many are there in Pakistan? That would tell you who are more Pro-Israeli and is part of ISraeli axis.

without a doubt it has been seen time and again that Iranian intelligence lacks badly. it has failed to prevent the years of assassinations of its scientists, engineers and prominent figures of influence and recently failed again to prevent the deaths en masse of its military, political, science and ideological leadership.

Indians and Afghans backstabbed Iran multiple times and used its land against Pakistan as well. I dont know how much Iran has stepped back from Indians and whether it is in position to do so in the face of sanctions and replace India with China to keep itself going.

Iran has been blind sighted repeatedly. the Indian intel officer is not a lone case, there are many others as well. its a shame both Pakistan and Iran failed to align themselves and reach a compromise for mutual benefit in a more meaningful way.

despite all the anti Iran/ anti Pakistan rhetoric on social media (including but not limited to declaring anyone showing sympathy to Iran as a Rafzi majusi agent.).. .. the leaderships of both countries have managed to keep some sort of working relationship and Pakistan did help Iran in plugging the security gap which was being exploited in killing the Iranian leadership. an open hostility between Pakistan and Iran is very similar to a MAD situation even if doesnt involve nuclear radiation fallout because there are countries in the neighbourhood and beyond that are waiting to pounce like the grey wolves that mark and then encircle the aging/ injured elk in the rocky mountains.after Iran.. and I dare say before Turkey, our turn will come because the greater Israel project has crossed the plausable deniabilty and conspiracy phase and is all out and open. granted we are not Arabs but we have a special place of hatred among the Zionists.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

to be honest.. the Average Amerian doesnt really care. remember, its America that voted this guy again.
so far no protest at the level or even close to anti war protest against Vietnam war has happened only because there have not been enough American cofins sent back to America.
Americans consider Israelis better than themselves and the rest of the world below themselves so news of destruction in Middle east actually gives them a hard on. Iranians , to their (American) surprise, are being stuborn and resiliant beyond expectations and have manages to gore the Americans, Israelis and the GCC allies .. but not enough to jolt the American average Joe and demand the end of the war.