Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

 

[Immortals]

 

[unconventional]

You are making stuff up again or having a compression problem.

I explained, Iran has preferred closer relationship with India over Pakistan because India has a degree of geopolitical autonomy that Pakistan does not. E.g. India bought Iranian and Russian oil and invested in Iran.

Both are part of the Judeo Christian world order. So, again it proves my point about Iran not having a problem dealing with it.

However, it does have a problem with the ones that warmonger for the Judeo Christians.

Try to understand the clear distinction between the two!

Because that is Iran’s red line.

No, I don’t have a compression or expansion problem.

India does not have enough geopolitical autonomy, which is why India completely halted oil imports from Iran after the U.S. withdrew from the nuclear deal and terminated exemptions for buyers in May 2019.

India is Israel's single largest customer for military exports, accounting for roughly 37% of Israel's total arms exports.

By succumbing to US pressure on Iran, and supporting Iran’s existential enemy (Israel); one can argue that India is warmongering for the Judeo Christians against Iran.

If you want to try to badmouth Pakistan by highlighting India, you are at a loss my friend.

 

[Homajon]

Well, a simple Google search would easily give you enough sources, but let's hear it directly from a Pakistani professor:

More than meets the smile: Iran–Pakistan’s strategic chessboard

If you ever want to know what two countries really care about, don’t listen to the speeches. Watch what words they never quite say alone. In the case of Iran and Pakistan, one word keeps showing up…

www.middleeastmonitor.com

Iran’s position is straightforward, and it has been repeated in various forms for decades: stay out of our fights with the US and Israel, keep American and allied military activity off your soil, and don’t let your territory be used for subversive operations against us.

This is not an abstract concern. Tehran remembers very clearly how Washington, particularly in the 2000s, used Pakistan’s Balochistan province as a launchpad for anti-Iranian operations. These included support for Iranian Baloch separatists, covert backing of the Mojahedin-e Khalq (MEK), and other militant outfits eager to cause trouble inside Iran.

The irony, of course, is that some of these same networks later turned their sights on Pakistan itself. After 9/11, as the US military footprint in Afghanistan expanded, Baloch separatists and other armed groups became useful tools not just for pressuring Iran, but also for destabilizing Pakistan when Washington wanted to exert leverage.

Iran has long been aware of the double game. And while Tehran is pragmatic enough to maintain relations with Islamabad even under pro-US leadership, it also has red lines. As one senior Iranian official reportedly told Pakistani counterparts during the recent delegation visit:

“We want a very good relationship with Pakistan. But if Pakistan restarts cooperation with the US in subversive activities from Balochistan, Iran will make Balochistan a nightmare for Pakistan.”

When you now say this all happened against the will of Pakistani leadership, ok, then everything what India does on Iranian soil is also against the will of the Iranian leadership.



Nobody denies that.







I gave you articles from Pakistani experts.
And your evidence is killings of Iranian leaders. Why should Israel kill Pakistani leaders

 

[Master Chief]

Brent crude was ~$60-70 a year ago and just before the U.S. and Israel attacked Iran

That’s a massive 50-75% increase

No riots in western cities though. There is no pressure on Trump whatsoever. He still does as he pleases.

 

[Professor Jiang]

No riots in western cities though. There is no pressure on Trump whatsoever. He still does as he pleases.

I don't think the assumption on the part of the Iranians was ever that there would be riots in Western cities. It was more that ordinary people would no longer be insulated from the consequences of the war, and that they'd have a material interest in ending the war. A 'skin in the game' sort of thing.

Just one small example: people in rural England are struggling heat up their homes because of the rise in the wholesale price of oil. These are houses without normal central heating. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqgm09xvlvjeo

 

[OldTwilight]

We should have nukes

 

[Master Chief]

I don't think the assumption on the part of the Iranians was ever that there would be riots in Western cities. It was more that ordinary people would no longer be insulated from the consequences of the war, and that they'd have a material interest in ending the war. A 'skin in the game' sort of thing.

Just one small example: people in rural England are struggling heat up their homes because of the rise in the wholesale price of oil. These are houses without normal central heating. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqgm09xvlvjeo

Fully agree. But the honest impression I get is that none of this pressures Trump into a course correction.

He is also under no pressure from the Senate (maybe some from Congress but I believe that can be blunted by House leaders and by Senators anyway, like party whips in UK).

Only direct instruction from Tel Aviv or a substantial direct cost to the American military machine can alter his trajectory now. In fact, some would argue that he's even prepared to sacrifice his military - not that Iran have, at any point, been able to inflict a significant cost on them.

 

[Professor Jiang]

 

[Ali_Baba]

According to Google Ai - the only platforms that can "deploy" the "MOAB" is the C-130 platform. Will / has Iranian AD degraded so much that they can get operationally use C-130's? We did see some operating over Iran during the rescue of the F15 pilots so maybe possible?

 

[Flotilla]

According to Google Ai - the only platforms that can "deploy" the "MOAB" is the C-130 platform. Will / has Iranian AD degraded so much that they can get operationally use C-130's? We did see some operating over Iran during the rescue of the F15 pilots so maybe possible?

Is propaganda.
They're talking about bombing also energy infraestructure, that means that all GCC countries would go to medieval age. No electricity, no gas, no oíl and for sure even no wáter.

Day after day military solution gets harder, as all missile production resumes in alternative places. Nuclear enrichment is completely unknown and blockade is severing prices not only in Irán but also in western countries where winter comes slowly.

So another **** up!. Or peace or anyone will make a stupidity.

 

[muhammed45]

There are reports indicating that the deep state has decided to gradually get rid of Trump.

70% of Americans do not want to vote for Republicans. Even the European and Canadian vultures have decided to distance themselves from Trump let alone people of USA.

Political analysts compare Trump's situation with Jimmy Carter, while Trump is in a worse condition than Carter. There is no way out for Trump at this very moment of history.

I expect a bullet in yellow swine's head or a sudden death.

 

[OldTwilight]

According to Google Ai - the only platforms that can "deploy" the "MOAB" is the C-130 platform. Will / has Iranian AD degraded so much that they can get operationally use C-130's? We did see some operating over Iran during the rescue of the F15 pilots so maybe possible?

the strategy to make secure corridor for bomber to attack by operating SEAD before hand and scorting with multiple figher jet ( f22 , f35 , f15 ) during the mission.
in fact the strategy is good , but the problem is Iran's ever increasing passive systems and Iranian high mountains range ...

 

[OldTwilight]

There are reports indicating that the deep state has decided to gradually get rid of Trump.

70% of Americans do not want to vote for Republicans. Even the European and Canadian vultures have decided to distance themselves from Trump let alone people of USA.

Political analysts compare Trump's situation with Jimmy Carter, while Trump is in a worse condition than Carter. There is no way out for Trump at this very moment of history.

I expect a bullet in yellow swine's head or a sudden death.

part of our strategy to force trump to loose and his administartion get ruined , then next USA presidents would look at Jimmy Carter and Trump fate against Iran and would hesitate to attack us because they don't want to have same fate as Jimmy Carter and Donald Trump .

 

[Ali_Baba]

the strategy to make secure corridor for bomber to attack by operating SEAD before hand and scorting with multiple figher jet ( f22 , f35 , f15 ) during the mission.
in fact the strategy is good , but the problem is Iran's ever increasing passive systems and Iranian high mountains range ...

If Iran could increase both the lethality of its passive systems as well as altitude, it would really curtail USAF operation over Iran. I don't think Iran has had enough time to do that since the last conflict ended though.