Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[925boy]

I'll ask you again, since my previous post was deleted, accidentally I presume.

A country has supplied Israel with weapons, amounting to a percentage supply that is second only to USA's supply to Israel. This supply continued during the last round of hostilities and goes on even after them, and is moreover utilised against Iranian allies in Palestine and Lebanon.

How does that nation then qualify as a "true ally" of Iran?

That country, India I presume, is not a true ally of Iran, but it doesn't have to be, because that's what mature statecraft manship and living In the real and imperfect world requires. Dontyou realize the same thing is happening with Russia and US? IS is supplying weapons and intelligence to Ukraine that's killing Russians daily, and Russia is still "talking "to US about business deals. Iran's red line is visible direct logistical support for US 's war effort against it, which the low competence gulfied across the Gulf did, triggering iranian ire. Also, don'tosuse the word triple ally to imply Iran is in bed with India just because your nation hates India and can't deal rationally or pragmatically with it- aside from chabahar port and some modest trade they didn't that much In this Iran India romance some of you Pakistanis are paranoid about. You let KSA and cia setup jundillah and Balochi rebels in your border areas with Iran and let them be unleashed on Iran and Iran hasn't don't much against Pakistan for that betrayal. Grow up and adapt to the harsh reality of modern state to state relationship and dynamics. Iran being under heavy sanctions means it can't easily turn away every inconvenient or half loyal partner.

We can also mention the reverse, which is the pecuniary benefit to Tel Aviv of its weapons sales to the exact same country.

Hopefully you are starting to realise the problem with your narrative.

My narrative is just fine, work on reducing your own isolation , given then economically, you are very vulnerable, similar to how a sanctioned Iran is today.

 

[Flotilla]

If Iran is blocking Pakistani ships and allowing Indian ships.. i’d blame the horrible foreign affairs office (aka the field marshal sahb) …. All thid a** licking, noble peace prize and shyt all for nothing….

And closing land frontier... please don´t forget.
Hope everything finishes soon. Pak and Ir are friendly nations, and even with differences are doomed to be partners for everything. Trade and Security, not to mention Health (OMS) and Culture (a lot of shia inside Pak).

 

[BigMela2onin]

How does that nation then qualify as a "true ally" of Iran?

India isn't a true ally but neither is Pakistan. As long as Pakistan is in Saudi camp, Iran would be unwise to consider Pakistan as a close ally.
MBS pushed for the war despite the fake Chinese mediated "reconciliation" and pushed to keep it going while providing its land as a staging ground for that war, making it an active combatant in this conflict. Pakistan joining the anti-Iran mecca pact during the conflict does not help its case of being a potential ally to Iran.
Thus the question becomes, who can offer more to Iran now, Pakistan or India/Afghanistan? Long term, climate change will solve the India problem for Iran anyways. The limiting factor for Iran-Pakistan relations is Pakistan's relation with the Saudis and to some extent the US.

 

[tsunset]

I congratulate the brave American Patriot people for overthrowing the terroristic regime of MAGA

 

[Immortals]

Could US attack Iran under the cover of a New Moon on Nov 9th?

 

[RzA]

Trump will 100% double down now on chickenshit mullah rats because the rest of his policies have become failures and his only remaining legacy is to finish this war with Iran. Domestically he's screwed but he can still wreak havoc overseas and that's why when I see IR supporters celebrate like the goobers they are I can't help but be embarrassed.

 

[PakAl]

Pakistan has acted towards Iran more in good faith than Iran ever has. Your actual allies like India with which they had investments in your Chahbahar etc, where were they when Iran was getting bombed? Iranians have been in cahoots with India, the mortal enemy of Pakistan and they saw your submarine sink and didn't help. While Pakistan has been actively involved in getting the war halted. Also, we all have seen the statements of the Iranian official recently in Afghanistan.

I'd suggest you to pipe down

Iranian government is thankful to Pakistan for trying to mediate talks, to stop this war, Pakistan condemned Israeli attacks even in the Parliament, attended funeral of Iranian leader, supported resolution in SCO. Moral and political support is very important, plus not supporting a war, Iran needs neighouring nation opposition to the war, Pakistan did just that, lobbyed Turkey and Saudis to not support the war. Pakistan cannot actually fight for Iran against the world, will Iran fight for Pakistan against India? We did all this despite not being strategic Iranian ally. Meanwhile India boycotted the resolution against Israeli aggression in SCO, Modi visited Israel and called Israel daddy, is collaborating with Israel on military terms.

 

[PakAl]

So, was nominating Donald Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize really done in good faith?
Pakistan also sent troops to Saudi Arabia to attack the Houthis and signed Mecca Pact with Turkey and Saudi Arabia. Do you really think Iran wasn't paying attention to all of this?

Pakistan maintains close relations with the Usa. Turkey and Saudia are Pakistani allies, Pakistan will defend them even without the pact, leadership mention this many times before. Just like Iran allies are Russia and India (as alleged) and Iran continues to main close relationship with them despite both disappearing when Iran is being bombed by the Usa.

 

[RzA]

Brent Crude continues to plummet. We are losing major leverage here.

 

[ShapurII]

Between secret negotiations @ShapurII is suspecting is going on btwn Iran and US(probably with some progress too) and the Dems taking over Congress(and how this also brought rising anti- Israel sentiment out in public discourse and media), I think Trump's initiative and momentum to launch his planned attack on Iran is blunted and may not happen. I can easily imagine Dems threatening trump with political retaliation - " if you launch the attack on Iran you were planning we will retaliate against you and Republicans by doing so so and so..".

I don't think the Democrats care about Iran's infrastructure, or the consequences of Iran hitting the infrastructures of Arab states around the Persian Gulf. In reality, the midterm election results change nothing for Iran.

Besides that, even if the Democrats want to do something, they can't because they do not have the two-thirds of the votes in both the Congress and the Senate. And that's even worse for Iran because they can tell their voters that they tried but couldn't stop Trump because it was simply out of their hands. So, if anything, the Democrats have every incentive with zero responsibility to let Trump mess things up even worse to use it for winning the 2028 presidential election.

Trump will 100% double down now on chickenshit mullah rats because the rest of his policies have become failures and his only remaining legacy is to finish this war with Iran. Domestically he's screwed but he can still wreak havoc overseas and that's why when I see IR supporters celebrate like the goobers they are I can't help but be embarrassed.

Indeed. Trump has more reasons than ever to prove himself as the greatest president ever. He's a man-child with a sick level of grandiosity. There's no way he wouldn't double down now.

 

[ShapurII]

Brent Crude continues to plummet. We are losing major leverage here.
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I don't think this is normal. Yeah, I agree with @Immortals that Iran's tactic of shutting down the Strait of Hormuz has failed miserably, as I predicted after Iran accepted the MoU and the US attacked southern Iran a few months ago to weaken our control over the strait, but this is beyond just risk assessment.

Maybe the Democrats were helping Iran keep the prices up to win the midterm elections. I mean that's a possibility. Maybe other countries are helping the US suppress crude oil prices before the next round of war. Something doesn't add up yet, but we'll find out eventually.

 

[ShapurII]

If I were them, I wouldn't include JD Vance in that poster.
JD Vance has been antiwar from the beginning and is one of the main republican figures that might potentially run for the president in 2028 and 2032.

 

[PakAl]

Trump will 100% double down now on chickenshit mullah rats because the rest of his policies have become failures and his only remaining legacy is to finish this war with Iran. Domestically he's screwed but he can still wreak havoc overseas and that's why when I see IR supporters celebrate like the goobers they are I can't help but be embarrassed.

He can still bomb Iran, even if democrats pass a resolution forbidding any strikes, Trump can veto it. People also forget Usa has strong establishment, when they want a war it will happen.

 

[Immortals]

 

[Blain2]

He can still bomb Iran, even if democrats pass a resolution forbidding any strikes, Trump can veto it. People also forget Usa has strong establishment, when they want a war it will happen.

He won't need to veto. As the President, he can wage war without requiring anything from Congress. This is how all US Presidents operate.

What is the return of investment in re-starting a war with Iran? Not much upside for the American citizens. It is as clear as night and day that this war would only be waged to benefit Israelis. Trump is beholden to his zionist influencers and family members.