Federal cabinet gives nod to imposition of emergency in KP; summary sent to president

[Goenitz]

As for me, I make no distinction between the Pakistani military and the rest of the Pakistani society. The Pakistani military comes from all ethnic groups, of all creeds, from all regions of Pakistan and the vast majority come from poor to low middle class families. But unlike other segments of the society, the Pakistani military is much more efficient in delivering the results and is the guardian of Pakistan's frontiers.

1. Every segment has representation all across Pakistan, like journalism, politics, bureaucracy, etc.
2. An army is a well-oiled killing machine. For sure, it should be efficient against its own unarmed civilians and institutions. Otherwise, it can neither guard ideological and red lines nor actual frontlines (West border is an example). It has no narrative to control ideology, and no capacity or support to guard the actual frontlines.

BTW, I am also not complaining that some seats were stolen from Imran! Those who gave the power to him, took it away! And judging by Imran's record as the PM and his subsequent actions after losing power, Good Job Establishment!!

It will only be if it can control terrorism and corruption and protect civilian lives.

 

[Meengla]

1. Every segment has representation all across Pakistan, like journalism, politics, bureaucracy, etc.
2. An army is a well-oiled killing machine. For sure, it should be efficient against its own unarmed civilians and institutions. Otherwise, it can neither guard ideological and red lines nor actual frontlines (West border is an example). It has no narrative to control ideology, and no capacity or support to guard the actual frontlines.

It will only be if it can control terrorism and corruption and protect civilian lives.

Pakistani military does a far better job in protecting Pakistan then a group of clowns and deserters like these:

 

[RescueRanger]

Lets stick to point if you dont have an argument you will just ban people or do personal insults

Its so weird that you think this forum is some sort of privilege, there aren't even 500 people here, average FB, Reddit , discord forum has more people so no need to flex here ..

Whats was so good about his post when its not even factually correct??

Cry me a river

 

[RescueRanger]

Pakistani military does a far better job in protecting Pakistan then a group of clowns and deserters like these:

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It's okay every single discussion on this forum ends up on this topic. It's revolting.

 

[mythbuster]

There have been massive "development projects" like these during past military dictatorships. What has establishment to show for it in the long term socioeconomic health of the country as a whole? South Korea for example has been a military dictatorship in its past. But it didn't continue to remain on a self-destructive path like Pakistan...

Genius , South Korea developed under the dictatorship and when it reached reasonable level of development and literacy only then it was allowed the luxury of democracy..... it's not wise to fart about issues that are way above your intellectual league.

 

[mythbuster]

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What an interesting timing. You began parting your way with Imran Khan at the same time military establishment did. What if tomorrow the same military establishment finds its way back to Imran Khan — will you suddenly become pro IK then?

if Ik ever comes back to sit in the establishment's lap he will be more amenable than shabaz Sharif .

 

[Meengla]

Genius , South Korea developed under the dictatorship and when it reached reasonable level of development and literacy only then it was allowed the luxury of democracy..... it's not wise to fart about issues that are way above your intellectual league.

Honestly, it is disgusting to hear from Imran supporters talk about the virtues of 'democracy': The guy came to power only after the military hoisted him to power and coerced political parties to support Imran's PM ship. The National Assembly members, under the military's baton, voted Imran to be the PM of Pakistan and the Opposition grudgingly sat across the aisle but still accepted the lazy philaladerer as their PM for almost four years--until the military said we are not going to be involved in politics. So the same National Assembly, which had voted Imran to power, decided to remove him using a Constitutional move: The No Confidence Motion. Benazir Bhutto, in 1989, also faced an NCM against worst odds but she faced it down. What did Imran do: Violated the Const. of Pakistan by throwing out the NCM based on a lie from which he later backpaddled from. I am speaking facts here!.
Imran lost ALL respect, all credit by violating the Const. of Pakistan then! He should have been imprisoned for that alone but the stupid Pakistani Establishment let their Frankenstein's monster a free reign of propaganda for a year!

 

[mythbuster]

Honestly, it is disgusting to hear from Imran supporters talk about the virtues of 'democracy': The guy came to power only after the military hoisted him to power and coerced political parties to support Imran's PM ship. The National Assembly members, under the military's baton, voted Imran to be the PM of Pakistan and the Opposition grudgingly sat across the aisle but still accepted the lazy philaladerer as their PM for almost four years--until the military said we are not going to be involved in politics. So the same National Assembly, which had voted Imran to power, decided to remove him using a Constitutional move: The No Confidence Motion. Benazir Bhutto, in 1989, also faced an NCM against worst odds but she faced it down. What did Imran do: Violated the Const. of Pakistan by throwing out the NCM based on a lie from which he later backpaddled from. I am speaking facts here!.
Imran lost ALL respect, all credit by violating the Const. of Pakistan then! He should have been imprisoned for that alone but the stupid Pakistani Establishment let their Frankenstein's monster a free reign of propaganda for a year!

That's my gripe with the establishment , it doesn't know how to nip the evil in the bud .

 

[RescueRanger]

Honestly, it is disgusting to hear from Imran supporters talk about the virtues of 'democracy': The guy came to power only after the military hoisted him to power and coerced political parties to support Imran's PM ship. The National Assembly members, under the military's baton, voted Imran to be the PM of Pakistan and the Opposition grudgingly sat across the aisle but still accepted the lazy philaladerer as their PM for almost four years--until the military said we are not going to be involved in politics. So the same National Assembly, which had voted Imran to power, decided to remove him using a Constitutional move: The No Confidence Motion. Benazir Bhutto, in 1989, also faced an NCM against worst odds but she faced it down. What did Imran do: Violated the Const. of Pakistan by throwing out the NCM based on a lie from which he later backpaddled from. I am speaking facts here!.
Imran lost ALL respect, all credit by violating the Const. of Pakistan then! He should have been imprisoned for that alone but the stupid Pakistani Establishment let their Frankenstein's monster a free reign of propaganda for a year!

Usual suspects on PDF summed up in one video:

 

[Meengla]

That's my gripe with the establishment , it doesn't know how to nip the evil in the bud .

If even the bastard Altaf Hussein was given the free megaphone to claim to be a victim of American involvement for his removal and allowed to roam free in Pakistan for a year and do the weekly public protests then Altaf too would become a big public figure! Stupid Establishment of Pakistan allowed this monster 'Khan' a year of public protests on weekly basis to create a myth of some Muslim world's Che Guevera fighting the American Empire.
It is revolting, sickening to see how many Westerners, in their knee-jerk Anti-Americanism have fallen for the charade of the Messiah Khan. Truly revolting!

 

[Dr khan]

Cry me a river

Lord of nothing

 

[Goenitz]

Pakistani military does a far better job in protecting Pakistan then a group of clowns and deserters like these:

You can drag PTI in it, but my focus is on what a "Well-done job" and "Protecting" mean.

I will keep it simple.
If it could only protect the boundary, it would have in 71.
Though the western boundary has not changed physically, everyone has a free pass there.
Pakistan means what! People, institutions, border, economy, ideology, law and order? Tell me, in which metric are we progressing?

Tell me a noticeable growth in any sector except, perhaps, a little in music or some niche defence equipment, in this God-given 250 million + country. We are declining even in agriculture.

 

[Dr khan]

Honestly, it is disgusting to hear from Imran supporters talk about the virtues of 'democracy': The guy came to power only after the military hoisted him to power and coerced political parties to support Imran's PM ship. The National Assembly members, under the military's baton, voted Imran to be the PM of Pakistan and the Opposition grudgingly sat across the aisle but still accepted the lazy philaladerer as their PM for almost four years--until the military said we are not going to be involved in politics. So the same National Assembly, which had voted Imran to power, decided to remove him using a Constitutional move: The No Confidence Motion. Benazir Bhutto, in 1989, also faced an NCM against worst odds but she faced it down. What did Imran do: Violated the Const. of Pakistan by throwing out the NCM based on a lie from which he later backpaddled from. I am speaking facts here!.
Imran lost ALL respect, all credit by violating the Const. of Pakistan then! He should have been imprisoned for that alone but the stupid Pakistani Establishment let their Frankenstein's monster a free reign of propaganda for a year!

Yes imran Khan violated the Constitution by refusing to accept judiciary decision?? and refusal to do election ??

Are you kidding me??? Are you saying this with a STRAIGHT FACE like dude really???

 

[Meengla]

You can drag PTI in it, but my focus is on what a "Well-done job" and "Protecting" mean.

I will keep it simple.
If it could only protect the boundary, it would have in 71.
Though the western boundary has not changed physically, everyone has a free pass there.
Pakistan means what! People, institutions, border, economy, ideology, law and order? Tell me, in which metric are we progressing?

Tell me a noticeable growth in any sector except, perhaps, a little in music or some niche defence equipment, in this God-given 250 million + country. We are declining even in agriculture.

Ahh, the 1971 war! You guys never stop!
As for Pakistan's economy, IIRC, Pakistan was on the verge of a Sri Lanka like fiscal default in 2022/23 and is gradually recovering. And I have full faith in a very good recovery. Talk to me in 2030 to compare with 2022. Much needs to be done.
As for the Western borders, God Willing, that too will improve now that the KPK govt is not in the hands of the Taliban Khan's party.

 

[Dr khan]

Pakistani military does a far better job in protecting Pakistan then a group of clowns and deserters like these:

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Losing half the country ???!!

and brewing of militancy in all provinces??

continuation of oil, drug smuggling?? Smuggling of oil isnt even a controversial everyone accept it as a fact, ironically you pay tax to the smugglers on it,the very reason govt taxes oil heavily is for military commanders to balance their retirement accounts

What are you talking about? Are you saying this with straight face??