Iran launches Operation True Promise - massive missile/drone strikes across Israel, Israel allegedly responds with quadcopters

[maverick]

Israel will stop after Palestine. We have no reason to believe otherwise.

They diplomatically won't be able to justify Colonising more land and there'll be no excuses.

We haven't even seen any propaganda groundwork or official claims.

lol Here you go …

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according to Israeli sources Iran build the bomb in 6 month ,..........................................for the last 40 years

 

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Iran has reportedly delayed strikes on Israel due to warnings from President Biden.

you guys and your fantasies

 

[UKBengali]

To restore deterrence Iran must aim to eliminate targets of similar importance.

It cannot allow this highly escalatory act to go unpunished as otherwise it looks really weak.

Also it needs to act within a reasonable timeframe as otherwise it may get attacked again before it does anything to the entity!

 

[üçkağıtçı]

Iran is nuclear. But does that change much?

 

[Persian Gulf]

To restore deterrence Iran must aim to eliminate targets of similar importance.

such as?

 

[Persian Gulf]

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[UKBengali]

such as?

Iran suffered a severe blow and so it needs to exact the same price from the Zionist entity.

Some suggested taking out a neighbouring Zionist “embassy” as that would be totally a “tit for tar” but Iran may not want to do that as it affects relations with the country targeted.

Whatever it does it cannot do nothing as an open challenge was given to it nearly two weeks ago.

 

[F-22Raptor]

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[Nuffle]

About Fattah-2:

It is worth noting that there are inconsistencies regarding the data on this Iranian hypersonic missile. A boost-glide missile with a range of 1400 km would have to be launched by a short-range ballistic missile (SRBM) rocket propulsion system, which are missiles with a range between 300 km and 1000 km.

Assuming a ballistic missile with a range of 500 to 700 km that released the HGV 700 to 900 km from the target, which would continue gliding up to 1400 km away, it would not be traveling at more than 3 km/s (Mach 9 to 10) when it was released and would reach the target at a much slower speed.

This speed quoted in articles of 5 km/s is compatible with a medium-range ballistic missile and in theory would provide a much greater range for a hypothetical HGV that was launched by it than the 1400 km cited.

Just as an example, the LRHW Dark Eagle that the US is putting into operation, the boost-glide type, reaches 5 km/s and has a reported range of at least 3000 km.

Another example is the American ballistic Pershing II, retired in the 90s. It reached 3.2 km/s and had a range of 1600 km. If he had an HGV he would definitely have about 3000 km of range, which is the sum of the ballistic range plus the glide range. Even if he released this hypothetical HGV on a depressed trajectory so as not to leave the atmosphere, it would have a range of at least 1500 km.

In short, the inconsistency is: if the missile “only” reaches 1400 km, then its maximum speed when the propelled engines exit is much lower than Mach 15. If it is really Mach 15, then it must have a maximum range greater than the quoted 1400 km.

Most realistically, this missile would take at least 10 to 15 minutes to reach Israel. The weapon that can intercept it in Israeli possession is the Arrow 2 missile with a range of around 200 km. The radar would be the Green Pine with a range for RVs in the range of 500 to 800 km. Early warning could be provided by the US with its global coverage IR warning satellite system providing more reaction time for the Israelis.

Objects at speeds exceeding Mach 15 have been intercepted in tests and training on several occasions, including an Arrow 3 intercepting an RV launched by a Yemeni MRBM in a real combat situation.

To understand hypersonic boost-glide missiles, we have to understand how ballistic missiles work.

Assuming a ballistic missile (MRBM) with a range of 2000 km (speed of 4 km/s – Mach 13) on a trajectory called lowest energy expenditure, that is, ideal from a ballistic point of view.
This hypothetical missile that we will call the H missile can then deposit a ballistic payload (with a minimum drag profile) 2000 km away with a speed very close to Mach Mach 13.

If instead of a ballistic reentry vehicle it launches a hypersonic gliding vehicle (HGV) as soon as it enters the atmosphere (100 km high) at 4 km/s, the range of this missile would be much greater than 2000 km because it would have to be added the propelled/ballistic range with the HGV glide range. Let's guess that this same missile would now reach a range of 3000 km, but at a much slower speed because it slowed down while gliding. Let's assume it reaches 2 km/s.

The problem with this mode of operation is that the space component of the missile persists and it could be detected and intercepted in space before re-entering the atmosphere. To avoid this, we will make the H missile adopt a depressed trajectory that practically does not make it leave the atmosphere (remembering that the propulsion of this type of missile only occurs in the initial 10% of the trajectory and the rest comes through inertia and gravitational attraction ).

Let's assume it now reaches Mach 10 at an altitude of 100 km. Its range now drops to around 800 km, both because the trajectory is not ideal and because the drag factor is acting all the time.

Now, let's remove the RV from this missile and install an HGV (hypersonic gliding vehicle). This missile will eject the HGV at a height of approximately 100 km, which will now glide towards a target. The range in this mode will be 800 km plus the glide range. Let's guess the 800 km due to the greater drag and lower speed. This missile will now have a range of 1600 km with the advantage of not having left the atmosphere but with the disadvantage of reaching the target at a speed of less than 2 km/s.

In short, the same “drive system” can have 4 types of action:

1- H missile equipped with RV implementing an ideal ballistic trajectory:
2000 km range
apogee of 400 km
speed after burning the propellant of 4 km/s
target arrival speed of 4 km/s
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2-H missile equipped with HGV implementing an ideal ballistic trajectory:
range of 3000 km
apogee of 400 km
speed after burning the propellant of 4 km/s
target arrival speed of 2 km/s
–
3- H missile equipped with RV implementing an extremely shallow depressed trajectory that does not allow it to leave the atmosphere;
range of 800 km
apogee of 100 km
speed after burning the propellant of 3 km/s
target arrival speed of 3 km/s
–
4-H missile equipped with HGV implementing an extremely shallow depressed trajectory that does not allow it to leave the atmosphere
range of 1800 km
apogee of 100 km
speed after burning 3 km/s
target arrival speed of 2 km/s

Hypersonic missiles cannot be intercepted by mid-course interceptors capable of intercepting ballistic missiles, for the simple fact that they do not leave the atmosphere and enter space, which is where “exoatmospheric interceptors” (or if you prefer, space interceptors) act to intercept ballistic missiles.

The fact that hypersonic missiles cannot be intercepted in the intermediate phase by missiles dedicated to intercepting ballistic missiles in the intermediate phase does not mean that they cannot be intercepted in the intermediate phase by high-performance AA missiles, which operate in the upper atmosphere. Ex: SM-6, 40N6, THAAD, S-300V4...

Just as a comparison, the trajectory profiles of several missiles with a range of 2000 km:

Ballistic missile: apogee altitude around 300 to 400 km. Peak speed around 4.5 km/s (in Mach it would be equivalent to Mach 15). Solid rocket engine. Trajectory time to target: 10 minutes.

Boost-glide hypersonic missile: around 70 km high. Peak speed of Mach 15. Solid rocket engine. Flight time to target: 11 to 12 minutes.

Hypersonic “cruise” type missile: around 40 km high. Speed around Mach 8 to 10. Scramjet type aspirated engine. Flight time: 11 minutes.

Subsonic cruise missile: altitude of up to 65 m above the ground (depending on the relief). In a Hi-Lo profile it can vary from 3000 m to 65 m in height. Speed around Mach 0.8. Turbofan engine. Flight time: 2 hours.
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It is clear that from the target's point of view, the first to be detected, taking into account the curvature of the Earth and the relief, would be the ballistic missile and the last would be the subsonic cruise missile.

OFF:
Shahab-1 > up to 300 km
Fateh-110 > up to 300 km
Shahab-2 > up to 500 km
Raad-500 > up to 500 km
Fateh-313 > up to 500 km
Zolfaghar > up to 700 km
Qiam-1 > up to 800 km
Dezful > up to 1,000 km
Abu Mahdi (cruise) > up to 1,000 km
Haj Qasem > up to 1,400 km
Hoveyzeh (cruise) > up to 1,400 km
Rezvan > up to 1,400 km
Fattah-2 (hypersonic) > up to 1,400 km
Kheibar Shekan > up to 1,500 km
Paveh (cruise) > up to 1,600 km
Fajr-3 > up to 2,000 km
Shahab-3/Emad/Ghadr > up to 2,000 km
Sejjil > up to 2,000 km
Khorramshahr-4 > up to 2,000 km
Qadr-110 > up to 2,000 km
Ashoura > up to 2,000 km
Soumar (cruise) > up to 2,500 km

Ships:
Talaiyeh (cruise) > up to 1,000 km
Qadr-474 (cruise) > up to 2,000 km

Are these Iran's current missiles?

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[Hopefully Pessimistic]

lol Here you go …

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This has some credibility given the fact that he is a finance minister but again, highly unlikely to be able to tank such a move diplomatically. Syria and Jordan are sovereign states.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Does anyone believes the report that Iran delayed the retaliation, cuz of US warning? If this turns out to be true, then it would be a dark day for us all. Tell me its not true guys. Please reassure me

Maybe they will respond when Israel starts it Rafah operation ?

 

[UKBengali]

This has some credibility given the fact that he is a finance minister but again, highly unlikely to be able to tank such a move diplomatically. Syria and Jordan are sovereign states.

You think that would stop the Zionists?

They are openly bragging about committing genocide on media platforms.

Btw, they already annexed Syrian Golan Heights.

 

[Taimoor]

Iran has lost countless high ranking officials because if its cowardice and silly antics.

Talk less and act more.

There is only one way to create deterrence for the future. Neutralise the vary high ranking military/intel officials who authorized killings of Iranians officials. Make them understand that if they authorize the killings of Iranians officials, in a way, they signing on their own death warrants.

Hit where it matter most and have proper impact. Hesitation in this matter will only aggravate the problem in future.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

To restore deterrence Iran must aim to eliminate targets of similar importance.

It cannot allow this highly escalatory act to go unpunished as otherwise it looks really weak.

Also it needs to act within a reasonable timeframe as otherwise it may get attacked again before it does anything to the entity!

With a terrible weak airforce, soldiers and border guards who are under equipped even worse than terrorists who attacks them, internal focus on nonsense issues and an economy with mass corruption, we've not a strong base to wage a possible prolonged war.
Netanyahu knows this and he laid this trap, because he needs regional war and continuity of conflict to safe himself from total failure and prosecution. Smart boys from IRGC decided to come altogether under eyes of mossad to be hit directly, instantly and precisely so that Netanyahu gets his wish! Now Netanyahu hopes that Iran attacks to involve US and to make the zionists rally around the flag because Israel is in a crisis. If Iran doesnt attack, then netanyahu had a tactical victory and will become more bold. You see... The blame is entirely on failure of Islamic republic.