Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

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Can Iran go to war with Israel without also going to war with the USA? Probably not. No US president will abandon Israel in such a war, especially in an election year.
 
Persian Gulf said:
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Can Iran go to war with Israel without also going to war with the USA? Probably not. No US president will abandon Israel in such a war, especially in an election year.
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Biden received 11 million dollars from Israeli lobby groups. Why would he bark against his masters?
 
Aziqbal said:
Israel wants Iran to attack so they can turn them into Iraq

Iran must play it wise
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US deployment took a year. Forces were deployed around Iraq. No one will host forces for a ground invasion of Iran.

US and Israel will make press statements on a daily basis about imminent attack or coming in next few days. Israeli defenses are already active and on alert since beginning of attack and before. So are the US ones in the region. It's really matter of higher Iranian leadership refusing to approve any strike plan. It's not a logistical issue.

US cannot go to war with Iran and such a war would inevitably involve Arabs and maybe Turks. It's not a big deal for Israel to be struck with some missiles. What made a big deal and gives Israeli's such deterrence value is this extreme fear of striking Israel by regional leaders. Hamas showed us we shouldn't be afraid and we have the resources and what's needed to tame Israel. But only Hamas has actual will to approve operational plans and execute them. Rest are scared there's no other way to put it.

They did not used to be scared like this in the past and they were in a much worse position, logistically and economically.
 
Falcon29 said:
Window is closing more. Once the outrage passed and they sensed hesitance, they began making threats. It's still a bluff but I don't believe Iranian leadership sees it that way and they don't see a need for a military response.

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Agree that the window of opportunity is closing in. But I do believe that Iran thinks that it is the right time to attack Israel because Israel is kind of surrounded. They want to teach Israel a lesson and I won't be surprised if they attack some civilian centers of some hospitals to give the Zionists a taste of their own medicine.

Let's see what happens, I do feel like one way or another this is going to turn into a regional War and I have this feeling since 7th October.
 
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Armageddon said:
Agree that the window of opportunity is closing in. But I do believe that Iran thinks that it is the right time to attack Israel because Israel is kind of surrounded. They want to teach Israel a lesson and I won't be surprised if they attack some civilian centers of some hospitals to give the Zionists a taste of their own medicine.

Let's see what happens, I do feel like one way or another this is going to turn into a regional War and I have this feeling since 7th October.
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Let's hope so. Everyone is united and this has a potential to draw multiple nations into it. Hamas's goal with October 7 is to trigger a regional war that ends with Palestinian independence as there is no hope left for Palestine and Palestinians whatsoever and it reached breaking point. Hamas is not interested in governance or status quo the strategic minds in Hamas for planning for this moment in secrecy. They obviously expected much higher degree of involvement by all parties. So either ends as disaster or big struggle and sacrifice that ends with stated outcome. What we get out of it is games are over and we need to know concretely and immediately what is the reality of the conflict and will the occupation be uprooted or not. By 2027 or so we will have the answer as this is expected to drag on a couple more years at least.
 
Persian Gulf said:
not even 1% chance

targets will be military
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I know it will a step to far for the start, but the destruction of Al Shifa and massacres there must be avenged.

Iranian President should call the higher ups in Pakistan and offer to donate them some balls... Because of Shaheens, Ghauris and Ababeels are collecting dust as well.
 
Armageddon said:
I know it will a step to far for the start, but the destruction of Al Shifa and massacres there must be avenged.

Iranian President should call the higher ups in Pakistan and offer to donate them some balls... Because of Shaheens, Ghauris and Ababeels are collecting dust as well.
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Btw, the point of a strike on Israel is to change status quo. Somebody in the region needs to break this fear complex that has infected everyone but Hamas and the people in Gaza. I have no idea if Iran has capability to actually destroy sensitive targets or not. Israeli's have unlimited missile defense funding from US and Arrow is a US developed defense missile system which US is testing through Israel. Israeli's cannot build or fund those themselves. The point would be to break status quo and encourage others to start treating Israel with different and more aggressive approach. It will help stop the genocide but also shift balance of power to locals of region and away from Zionist squatters. US cannot do anything if majority opinion and stance is against Israel people really overestimate what the US can do if a regional war breaks out. It cannot take on whole regions and continents.
 
Hamas tried to encourage others to break the status quo with the heroic and strategic operation on October 7, which will be remembered as a blessed and Godly day, but unfortunately people remained immensely afraid and shook. And they won't take the initiative. We're not going to accept a status quo where a terrorist Jewish minority forces its will on the people native to the region.
 
Dalit said:
The Western powers and Zionists are doing it because they know that they can do it. Essentially there is not single soul to stop them. The amount of killing and injustice that took place is beyond henious. The Western powers don't even deny their full-blown support for Zionists. It is right in your face. Do something about it if you can.

I have said it many times before. Today my conclusion is as firm as rock. The Muslim majority nations have been dominated and defeated economically, scientifically, technologically, militarily and mentally. The reason why you don't even hear a protest at ICJ or other venues from Islamic nations is because these people have been broken, humiliated and defeated inside out. The Islamic nations will remain subjugated for a very long time to come. Anyone who believes there is a way out of this needs a reality check. Not in our life time and not in the life time of our upcoming generations. We are behind and I mean lightyears behind.

Palestine, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Aghanistan, Palestine and the list goes on. All you need is a pair of eyes.
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Falcon29 said:
US deployment took a year. Forces were deployed around Iraq. No one will host forces for a ground invasion of Iran.

US and Israel will make press statements on a daily basis about imminent attack or coming in next few days. Israeli defenses are already active and on alert since beginning of attack and before. So are the US ones in the region. It's really matter of higher Iranian leadership refusing to approve any strike plan. It's not a logistical issue.

US cannot go to war with Iran and such a war would inevitably involve Arabs and maybe Turks. It's not a big deal for Israel to be struck with some missiles. What made a big deal and gives Israeli's such deterrence value is this extreme fear of striking Israel by regional leaders. Hamas showed us we shouldn't be afraid and we have the resources and what's needed to tame Israel. But only Hamas has actual will to approve operational plans and execute them. Rest are scared there's no other way to put it.

They did not used to be scared like this in the past and they were in a much worse position, logistically and economically.
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Iran has offensive capabilities

Iraqs army was in reality made to control Iraqis, it had very little offensive capabilities

So could U.S, Israel fire missiles, drones etc at Iran, hit targets and kill people, the answer is sure

BUT Iran has the ability to fire a hell of a lot back, at multiple Targets and destroy them

So no nation, including the U.S could build up a army, like they did against Iraq and even if they did, Iran offensive capabilities would mean any large mass of soldiers or equipment would just be overwhelmed and decimated

Even the U.S navy as strong as it is, would just have to contend with masses of anti ship missiles and drones, and once again whilst they would hit multiple targets inside Iran, it's. Would also wipe the U.S out in the region

So any conflict would block, oil coming in and out of the region let alone just Iran, multiple nations would be effected
Any U.S base, ship or target would be obliterated
and without the ability to defeat the Iranians or send in a army eventually the U.S would need to back off, leaving iran the victor and even more committed to fighting the U.S and Jew enemy

this doesn't even consider what the Russians, Chinese or any one else would do
 
Falcon29 said:
Let's hope so. Everyone is united and this has a potential to draw multiple nations into it. Hamas's goal with October 7 is to trigger a regional war that ends with Palestinian independence as there is no hope left for Palestine and Palestinians whatsoever and it reached breaking point. Hamas is not interested in governance or status quo the strategic minds in Hamas for planning for this moment in secrecy. They obviously expected much higher degree of involvement by all parties. So either ends as disaster or big struggle and sacrifice that ends with stated outcome. What we get out of it is games are over and we need to know concretely and immediately what is the reality of the conflict and will the occupation be uprooted or not. By 2027 or so we will have the answer as this is expected to drag on a couple more years at least.
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The sense of security and peace of Israel has been shattered after 7th October and to maintain that Israel needs a regional War.

TBH is th Muslims who have been chickening out from last few decades and they have been destroying our country One by One. Many Muslim nations don't have much too lose in case of a bigger war. Even if we were on the path of development, the west will never let countries like Iran, Pakistan or Egypt to develop. So we need a big reset and end of Western and Zionists gangsterism and influence in this region.

It's not just about Palestinians, it's about Al Quds. Even Jesus PBUH return to Earth is associated with liberation of Jerusalem and killing the Anti Christ according to Muslim prophecies.
 
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Does this guy cannot interpret this clear data ? Only around 36 % that think it is genocide. This shows that majority of US support Israel, so this also explain of why any US administration always support Israel. Blaming Israel lobby as the cause of the support is not really precise to explain this.

In the end we know that it is all due to the Christian belieft that make them support Israel as we also see even Mongoloid Indonesian member Antonius can be very bias in supporting Israel because we know he is Christian.
 
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