Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

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We heard the same shit 20 years ago when the US invaded Iraq. Today, US soft power is greater than it’s ever been, and nearly 2 million people have crossed our border illegally in the last 6 months for a better life.

No one cares about moral authority when they have an opportunity for a better life here.

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And they were right, whilst you clowns were tied up in Iraq and Afghanistan China and Russia crept up

Migrants wanting a better life doesn't change anything

Moral authority is the basis of your argument, once you lose that or people see through it, your then just talking to yourself

That's what's happening now, if you bitch about Ukraine, is the world listening anymore?
 
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You keep digging yourself into absurdities!
Yes, there is a strong dislike between the Israeli Left and Right but they ALL agree--and rightly so-- that without the State of Israel itself, neither of them would survive and thus we saw the fleeting unity in Israel after October 7. That's not unique to Israel. Happens all over the world after such calamities.
But your 'logic' seems to be that Israeli Right decided to sacrifice the 'Communist Kibbutzim' is really absurd. What's the gain for the Israelis?? Israel is now a veritable International Pariah in making, Israelis are internally displaced for 7+ months in their 100,000+, people are talking about leaving Israel, Israeli military is seen as a joke--a pale shadow of the image made in 1967, 'Anti-Semitism' has lost its lethal suffocating power, America has slowly started to not only displace Netanyahu but also engaging with KSA directly, bypassing Israel. But more than all of that: Israelis have managed to divert the American attention from Ukraine and China--the real rivals of America are in China and Russia but the pissant tiny country in the Middle East used its Lobby to divert American attention and resources.

I can go on and on about dismantling your own falsehood and paranoia but I think you mean well for Eurasia so I will stop here.
I appreciate your comments, I dont take it as something personal, we are here to debate about international issues, is it?. And post ideas/explanations that it's not in the mainstream press. Feel free to criticize every comment from me that you think it's wrong.

Of course maybe I'm wrong, it's just my opinion.

You talk about Israel as a sovereign state, I think it's the first error, Israel deep state do everything for USA money, it's just my opinion, maybe wrong.

Reply to Oct 7 with the full Gaza invasion was not mandatory, they did because they wanted. They could simply watch better Gaza border and customs, but they chose a full war instead.

So they used Oct 7 as excuse to launch a unnecessary war that they WANTED, then deep state could wanted Oct 7 happens, or even plan from the beginning through undercovers in Hamas.

My first comment about this was just a simple observation and half joke: Hamas and Israel far right has a lot in common: they want to kill Kibbutzim people.
 
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Video from Jabalia.

Al-Qassam Mujahideen clashed with enemy soldiers and vehicles in the incursion axis east of the city of Jabalia in the northern Gaza Strip

Scenes from the Qassam field
 
Think of it this way, October 7 was Israel’s Pearl Harbor or 9/11. The US destroyed the Japanese military across the Pacific, firebombed over 60 Japanese cities, and nuked two of them. Had it not been for the atomic bombs, the US planned to invade mainland Japan with 1.8M troops in Operation Downfall. In other words, the US went to every length to ensure the destruction of the Japanese empire and their ability to wage war.

Do I feel for the innocent people of Gaza caught up in this war? Yes……but Israel is fully justified in destroying the Hamas terror group, its network, infrastructure, and ability to wage terror on Israel. Innocent people have suffered in war throughout the entire history of humanity. And many of them suffer at the hands of their horrific governments or regimes whether that be in Gaza or Japan in WW2.

I grew up with 9/11 and the War on Terror. I have zero sympathy for terror groups such as Hamas and their supporters. Zero

Wrong analogy leads to wrong conclusions!

Firstly, the US vs Japan war didn't start with Pearl Harbor: Americans had the Japanese naval blockade, which was an act of war. Both were imperial powers fighting for resources--just like in Europe various imperial powers fought for resources in World War II. There were no babes in the woods innocent all of a sudden molested by some evil (though I will say the Japanese were the most brutal ones).

But let's set aside the History and talk of the current time and the current conflict: October 7 was not Israel's Pearl Harbor or 9/11. It was a Day of Reckoning for Israel, long overdue because of the brutal Occupation, displacements, humiliation, and killing of Palestinians for decades. Japan wasn't occupying any part of America and was within its own region despite the blockade. Your analogy is so wrong and thus you draw wrong conclusions.

I don't know why some of you Americans are more loyal to Israel than the Israelis themselves?? Is there ANY war waged by America you would not like?? Have you ever pondered why is America in some wars or insurgency or sanctions or have so many military bases the world over??

Here, read an article on the front page of NY Times by an ex Israeli soldier himself to try to understand what's going on. But then... none are more blind then those who refuse to see!


Israel’s military has brought utter devastation to the Palestinians of Gaza after the attack by Hamas on Oct. 7. But the extreme response is not only a reaction to the horrors of that day. It is also a product of the decades-long role the military has played in enforcing Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories.
The occupation has cultivated a longstanding disregard among Israeli soldiers for Palestinian lives, and similar impulses in the words and actions of commanders can be seen to lie behind the horrors of what we are witnessing today.
Israel has governed a people denied basic human rights and the rule of law through constant coercion, threats and intimidation. The idea that the only answer to Palestinian resistance, both violent and nonviolent, is greater — and more indiscriminate — force has shown signs of becoming entrenched in the Israel Defense Forces and in Israeli politics.
I know this through the numerous testimonies collected by my organization, Breaking the Silence, which was formed in 2004 by a group of Israeli veterans to expose the reality of Israel’s military occupation. We know firsthand and from thousands of soldiers that military occupation is imposed on civilians through fear, which is instilled by the growing and often arbitrary use of force.

For 20 years, we have heard these soldiers speak of the gradual erosion of principles that, even if never fully upheld, were once seen as fundamental to the moral character of the Israel Defense Forces. We have continued our work despite criticism from the military and the government.
I also know this because I myself have undergone this moral corruption. I, like many Israeli soldiers, went into the military thinking I knew the difference between right and wrong, and had a clear sense of the boundaries on legitimate use of force. But every boundary is destined to be redrawn in a military occupation, whose very existence relies on terrorizing a civilian population into submission.
I clearly remember one of the first times I entered the home of a Palestinian family, as a sergeant, in a village near Nablus in the West Bank in 2007. It was in the middle of the night and we were told that the house would make a good observation point. As we approached, we heard an elderly woman next door screaming in fear. We broke the window of her home and shone a flashlight. She was terrified, speaking unintelligibly. Her family was looking in from the other room, too scared to enter and calm her down. These people weren’t suspects. They just lived next door to the house we needed.

I was horrified, but I soon grew accustomed to such scenes. As soldiers, we used people’s houses for our purposes. We used people’s things. We used people. From home invasions to checkpoints, patrols to arrests, we eventually stopped seeing Palestinian civilians as real, living people. I quit asking myself: What do they feel? What do they think? How would I feel if soldiers barged into my house in the middle of the night? These questions, so crucial for morality and humanity, lost their meaning.
 
You talk about Israel as a sovereign state, I think it's the first error, Israel deep state do everything for USA money, it's just my opinion, maybe wrong.
Reply to Oct 7 with the full Gaza invasion was not mandatory, they did because they wanted. They could simply watch better Gaza border and customs, but they chose a full war instead.
So they used Oct 7 as excuse to launch a unnecessary war that they WANTED, then deep state could wanted Oct 7 happens, or even plan from the beginning through undercovers in Hamas.
My first comment about this was just a simple observation and half joke: Hamas and Israel far right has a lot in common: they want to kill Kibbutzim people.

Maybe I chose too strong words to respond to you and for that my apologies.

I think you are dead wrong about Hamas and Israel in some philosophical agreement to kill the Kibbutzim. Hamas would kill any Israeli--short of women and children--they can lay their hands on and Israelis would displace, humiliate, and even kill any Palestinian who'd refuse to live under Israel's terms.

As for the Israeli sovereignty, I think it is an independent State, capable of charting its own course and foreign relations but within the constraints of not defying Washington's strategic interests too much.

Oh, Israel had no choice but to go after the Gazans after October 7. That they went about it by butchering tens of thousands is a genocide and for that they must be held accountable!
 
Honestly loving it Hamas leadership will find a way to hideaway go to a country that doesn’t care about the icc ruling this has basically put bibi and gallant to never leave Israel ever even those countries that are not part of the icc will find it hard press to invite wanted war criminals to their countries so happy.
 
Honestly loving it Hamas leadership will find a way to hideaway go to a country that doesn’t care about the icc ruling this has basically put bibi and gallant to never leave Israel ever even those countries that are not part of the icc will find it hard press to invite wanted war criminals to their countries so happy.

Hamas is not government which is signatory to ICJ/UN organizations. Israel is. Be as it may, I suspect Palestinians wouldn't mind a few of their leaders behind the bar if Netanyahu and other war criminals from Israel are also caged! Remember: It is a war of attrition--nations lose much more if they don't totally win against the resistance.
 
This is becoming the main headline even on NY Times. Good!

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BBC BREAKING NEWS:

"ICC SEEKS ARREST WARRANT FOR NETANYAHU & YOAV GALLANT AND 3 HAMAS OFFICIALS, ISMAIL HANEYA, YAHYA SINWAR & ONE OTHER"
 
Well, I would go with the 911 analogy but not the Pearl Harbor one. The use of the 2 atomic bombs notwithstanding, it was peer adversaries fighting military targets for 90% of the war and had Japan possessed a nuke, the US might've thought twice about using its own. Regardless, I'll go with your example of 911 and look at what the US did; it justifiably went into Afghanistan to root out Bin Laden but never slaughtered tens of thousands of Afghanis. Even when it blundered the Iraq invasion in an epic failed reasoning, it still never came close to what the demons are doing here. Sorry ma man, I don't by any similarity in the comparisons. But I appreciate your response.



So you don't even see one iota of the Palestinian perspective on the occupation and that it's Hamas' cause? Not even a semblance of any form of justified resistance?



I'm not suggesting you should sympathize with terrorist since many would say Hamas is a resistance movement, or just like people say "one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter" but because of your view or terrorism, you should read Bin Laden's letter to America! It's mind-blowing how impactful that letter has been to the generation of American who also grew up with 911 and the supposed WoT. Amazing. It won't change your mind, but it offers another perspective far removed from the government's familiar narrative.

Israel is 100% justified in defending its people and defeating the Hamas terror group and its ability to wage terror.

Hamas operates 500+km of tunnels underneath the civilian population of Gaza. Hamas intentionally uses them as a shield. Due to the size of Gaza and its dense population, the destruction of Gaza was inevitable.

For Israel, they had no choice but to respond. Surely you understand this. How else do you deal with Hamas and its vast network of tunnels in such a small territory?

The reality is the destruction of Gaza was inevitable post 10/7. A ruthless terror attack was met with a ruthless assault and I called it since Day 1. I said don’t complain and cry victim when Gaza gets bulldozed. But that’s exactly what has happened. You can’t murder 1,000 Israeli civilians and not expect to suffer the consequences.
 
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You know, I'm going to get a little personal because this has been tearing me apart. You know how much I love this great country heck I chose to come here to live because I knew the opportunities are like no other place on this earth, and I could live the life I want and raise my family in the best country and so do tens of millions of other immigrants (many here on this forum) who have spent the majority of their lives here who also understand that the US does A LOT, and I mean AAAAA LOOOOOOOTTTT of good in the form of help and assistance to many impoverished countries, even gets involved in wars and sacrifices its own for the cause of freedom and against oppression, and takes on the role of world police because it knows no one else will do it and if it doesn't, the world will fall in shambles with anarchy. And it's the LARGEST donor of aid in the entire world, just like it's doing here with no one else's help. All this is undeniable.

But at the same time, with the other cheek it's supplying 93% of the weapons that are killing the innocent people it's now trying to help! And with approval and protection. I realize there are plenty of other motivations (many of which are nefarious just to lay it all down but for now we'll let those go since they're also just speculations). It's an expert at playing good cop/bad cop and the entire world sees this but like anything else, most only look at the bad. Can't blame them.

Not sure if using the term double-edged sword is the appropriate metaphor here, but close enough. Unfortunately, the edge that does the cutting is much louder than the one that doesn't and it's a real shame. Because it conflicts with people like me (and I'm pretty sure @Falcon29 shares the same sentiment but much worst for obvious reasons) and many other Arabs & Muslims here on this forum. People like us who love this country and would support it if the cause is right. But to, on hand supply all the weapons and protect a murdering scoundrel of an entity like Israel in a complete and unabashed way, then on the other hand simply turn the cheek and offer help for the result of that murdering is dumbfounding to say the least. And disheartening for people like me to put it mildly.

Can you relate to that POV?
No he can not, your nicely written idealistic post does not apply when certain people are involved, anyway that false and dangerously affectionate mantra about freedom and equality for everybody is shuttered in irrevocable way util current political structure is in place of power in USA.
 
BBC BREAKING NEWS:

"ICC SEEKS ARREST WARRANT FOR NETANYAHU & YOAV GALLANT AND 3 HAMAS OFFICIALS, ISMAIL HANEYA, YAHYA SINWAR & ONE OTHER"
Nothing will happen, western states will not oblige court orders and will continue support to them despite this warrant. I am pretty sure Hamas leaders will go with song and dance into Hague if those two zionists are arrested too.
 
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