HAL LCA Tejas: Updates, News & Discussions

[Cryptonian]

Don't you think the f16's airframe is a bit old?
I mean I think when we compare it to the rafale / eurofighter / gripen???

F 16 maybe the best designed airframe and well ahead in every way but still I would pick a rafale over it everytime!

Pakistanis themselves tout J10c as some superadvanced import which can survive against Rafale, but at the same time they forget that it has the delta wing which make it relatively modern compare to F16 .
It's their insecurity which is why they don't offer the credit of having modern delta wing airframe to Tejas.

 

[Yasser76]

No member will block the sale of meteor to India

Again, you seem confident in predicting the future, that is what fundamentally is the issue with Indians on this forum. Right now you were "certain" to have 114 Rafales, 24 AIP Submarines, 2000 Arjun tanks.

If one country does not want Meteor integrated into a foreign radar it can block it. Full stop.

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

You have a usual habit of not addressing the real issue you started yourself and kept drifting away to new stuff.
I don't know what but in medical world this must be some kind of "_____ syndrome".

In year 2008 Indian Air Force has officially stated that they rejected F-16 because it is an old and outdated fighter jet that doesn't meet their requirements.

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

Again, you seem confident in predicting the future, that is what fundamentally is the issue with Indians on this forum. Right now you were "certain" to have 114 Rafales, 24 AIP Submarines, 2000 Arjun tanks.

If one country does not want Meteor integrated into a foreign radar it can block it. Full stop.

There are no major disputes between India and Europe.

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

Don't you think the f16's airframe is a bit old?
I mean I think when we compare it to the rafale / eurofighter / gripen???

F 16 maybe the best designed airframe and well ahead in every way but still I would pick a rafale over it everytime!

USA has decided to develop a new fourth-generation fighter jet, which will resemble the Indian TEDBF. They have named it "5th Generation Minus." However, developing a fighter jet is very expensive, and it will take at least 20 years to complete. Until then, the USAF will have to operate the aging fleet of F-16s.

U.S. Air Force Entertains New Design To Replace F-16 | Aviation Week Network

The U.S. Air Force chief of staff envisions a 4.5-generation, or fifth generation “minus,” as the F-16 replacement.

aviationweek.com

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

The latest fourth-generation fighter jet by the USA is the T-7 Red Hawk trainer jet.

Nobody can deny that it’s the most advanced trainer jet because it’s the latest design so is not the case with F16 it was designed 50 years back

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

• Delta wings are neither the latest nor necessarily better than other wing types. Every design has its pros and cons. The best choice depends on the mission and situation. The F-16XL was tested a long time ago but was not adopted, demonstrating that even advanced designs might not be practical. The Mirage 3's delta wing doesn't make it inherently superior to the F-16. However, delta wings can offer advantages in specific roles.

• The Meteor missile is not a out of this world technology. There are alternatives available. Integration with Meteor doesn't automatically make a platform the best. For example, if a beyond-visual-range (BVR) missile has a range of 200km, but the fighter it's integrated with has a radar limited to 120km, the full potential of the missile wouldn't be utilized.

• GaN radar offers significant performance improvements over GaAs, particularly in terms of power output, bandwidth, and efficiency but that doesn't mean every GaN radar would be better than every GaAs. There are many other factors which are also involved like no. of TR. Power availability etc.

• In totality, F-16 B70/72 is definitely much better than Tejas and Gripen. But as someone above said F-16 has so many string attached and that's where Tejas is much more favourable to India.

 

[TopGun786]

The latest fourth-generation fighter jet by the USA is the T-7 Red Hawk trainer jet.
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Nobody can deny that it’s the most advanced trainer jet because it’s the latest design so is not the case with F16 it was designed 50 years back

I wonder what kind of weed you are smoking?
Now you started comparing apples vs oranges.
F-16 is not a trainer jet. Wake up.

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

I wonder what kind of weed you are smoking?
Now you started comparing apples vs oranges.
F-16 is not a trainer jet. Wake up.

I never said the F-16 is a trainer jet. My point is why the USA needed to design a new trainer jet instead of continuing to use the old trainer jets with upgrades. You have been insisting that the F-16 is not an outdated fighter jet because it has undergone several upgrades. However, the U.S. is also working on a new fourth-generation fighter jet to replace the outdated F-16 because the USAF recognizes that the F-16 is no match for modern fourth-generation fighter jets.

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

• Delta wings are neither the latest nor necessarily better than other wing types. Every design has its pros and cons. The best choice depends on the mission and situation. The F-16XL was tested a long time ago but was not adopted, demonstrating that even advanced designs might not be practical. The Mirage 3's delta wing doesn't make it inherently superior to the F-16. However, delta wings can offer advantages in specific roles.

• The Meteor missile is not a out of this world technology. There are alternatives available. Integration with Meteor doesn't automatically make a platform the best. For example, if a beyond-visual-range (BVR) missile has a range of 200km, but the fighter it's integrated with has a radar limited to 120km, the full potential of the missile wouldn't be utilized.

• GaN radar offers significant performance improvements over GaAs, particularly in terms of power output, bandwidth, and efficiency but that doesn't mean every GaN radar would be better than every GaAs. There are many other factors which are also involved like no. of TR. Power availability etc.

• In totality, F-16 B70/72 is definitely much better than Tejas and Gripen. But as someone above said F-16 has so many string attached and that's where Tejas is much more favourable to India.

The US Air Force wants to replace the aging F-16 with a modern fourth-generation fighter jet and has begun working on it. It may take 20-25 years to develop, but I'm pretty sure it will pack more advanced technology than the Rafale and Eurofighter, and even the F-22 Raptor, although the F-22 and F-35 are fifth-generation fighters designed for different purpose.

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

The US Air Force wants to replace the aging F-16 with a modern fourth-generation fighter jet and has begun working on it. It may take 20-25 years to develop, but I'm pretty sure it will pack more advanced technology than the Rafale and Eurofighter, and even the F-22 Raptor, although the F-22 and F-35 are fifth-generation fighters designed for different purpose.

Yes I know that but that doesn't mean F-16 latest blocks are not good enough, especially if you compare it with Tejas.

 

[panzerfaust 3]

I am not denying it but how come Tejas is superior design than F-16.
Your fellow poster was again babbling same old shit that Tejas design was out of this world.
If it only comes to design then Tejas has nothing to offer anything superior than F-16.
And if it comes to avionics and ammo of latest F-16 then again there is no comparison.
I am not talking about typhoon, Gripen (latest Gripen is not better than latest F-16) Rafale. The guy said F-16 was outdated frame so India did not buy.

Maybe because the previous versions of f16 ( before block52) are somewhat technologically inferior but the f16 has regular upgrades and the latest block72 is at par with any other 4.5 gen warbirds.
It was offered to us as per our MMRCA tender in F21 configuration with local production and spares ,high availability ,and other frills / bells
But we turned it down in favor of rafale and eurofighter, as they were considered superior and their weapons package was more potent (there was also a high level of distrust with the f16 suppliers) ultimately rafale was the winner

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

Maybe because the previous versions of f16 ( before block52) are somewhat technologically inferior but the f16 has regular upgrades and the latest block72 is at par with other 4.5 gen warbird
It was offered to us as per our MMRCA tender in F21 configuration with local production and spares ,high availability ,and other frills / bells
But we turned it down in favor of rafale and eurofighter, as they were considered superior and their weapons package was more potent (there was also a high level of distrust with the f16 suppliers) ultimately rafale was the winner

and correct me if i am wrong, On technical, Eurofighter was actual winner but on price (Plus French diplomacy) and indian experience with M2000s, Rafale beat Eurofighter.

 

[panzerfaust 3]

Nie that is some sort of real argument, instead of just forcing words to someone's mouth that F-16 is not advanced, when "in its category" the 70/72 block is most advance jet. Only J10C is comparable "in same class".
And no, GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES " we did not make any mistake when we initially bought it. This has been discussed in very detail in old PDF forum (may be addressed a bit in this also).
Yes USA is very unreliable.
Just when we got a real alternative we moved to J-10C.

Yes its at par with the latest 4.5 gen fighters ,and could have been a very potent addition to our airforce in F21 configuration with AESA radar and triple missile launcher adapters

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It was the latest F16 and a very cost effective platform, but airforce wanted something else , 18 had a much better chance

They were also offering us F15 almost every 4th gen aircraft was on the table!

Moving on to j10 ,you could have had sukhoi35 / J11 , maybe it's not the best decision that PAF has made

 

[panzerfaust 3]

and correct me if i am wrong, On technical, Eurofighter was actual winner but on price (Plus French diplomacy) and indian experience with M2000s, Rafale beat Eurofighter.

Yes you are correct , but you have to consider the air to ground capability of the rafale and the different pods that comes with it, especially SPECTRA and at the time of tender eurofighter was inferior to rafale in terms of air to ground capabilities