Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present
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Meengla
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It's really bad for Israel when NY Times calls its policies 'rogue'. And the Comments to the article are, as usual, very harsh on Israel.
As the Biden administration and its allies try to secure an elusive cease-fire in Gaza, Israel appears to have gone rogue.
Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel’s prime minister, came to Washington last week to give a defiant speech. Despite international condemnation, he vowed to continue the war against Hamas in Gaza and the West Bank, where Israel is killing and imprisoning scores of Palestinians each week, without any clear idea of its endgame.
The assassinations of senior Hezbollah and Hamas figures abroad have now sharply raised the risks of a larger regional war as Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah prepare retaliation, analysts say.
But the deaths of Fuad Shukr, a senior Hezbollah commander, and Ismail Haniyeh, the political leader of Hamas, will not change the strategic quandary Israel faces over how to end the war, govern Gaza or care for the civilians there. They are more likely to intensify the conflict than diminish it, making progress on a Gaza cease-fire even more difficult.
Israel says it does not want to occupy Gaza, but has no other solution to provide order; Hamas refuses to surrender, despite the thousands of dead. While Washington sees a cease-fire followed by a regional deal as an answer, Mr. Netanyahu is contemptuous of the idea. He believes only force will compel Hamas to concede and restore Israel’s strategic deterrence toward Iran and its proxies, especially Hezbollah.
Absent a clear goal in the war, however, Mr. Netanyahu’s defiance is dividing Israel from its allies and the country itself. It has further shaken trust in his leadership. It is fueling suspicions that he is keeping the country at war to keep himself in power. It is intensifying a deep rift inside the society — about the fate of Israeli hostages, the conduct of the war and the rule of law — that is challenging the institutional bonds that hold Israel together.
“Israel’s international image continues to take hits since October — despite nine months of war, its military objectives are unmet, and its reputation socially and domestically is also damaged,” said Sanam Vakil, a Middle East analyst at Chatham House.
Netanyahu, Defiant, Appears to Have Gone Rogue, Risking a Regional War
Ignoring the efforts of President Biden and the condemnation of many allies, the Israeli prime minister is forcing the pace of the war and feeding the revolt of the far right.As the Biden administration and its allies try to secure an elusive cease-fire in Gaza, Israel appears to have gone rogue.
Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel’s prime minister, came to Washington last week to give a defiant speech. Despite international condemnation, he vowed to continue the war against Hamas in Gaza and the West Bank, where Israel is killing and imprisoning scores of Palestinians each week, without any clear idea of its endgame.
The assassinations of senior Hezbollah and Hamas figures abroad have now sharply raised the risks of a larger regional war as Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah prepare retaliation, analysts say.
But the deaths of Fuad Shukr, a senior Hezbollah commander, and Ismail Haniyeh, the political leader of Hamas, will not change the strategic quandary Israel faces over how to end the war, govern Gaza or care for the civilians there. They are more likely to intensify the conflict than diminish it, making progress on a Gaza cease-fire even more difficult.
Israel says it does not want to occupy Gaza, but has no other solution to provide order; Hamas refuses to surrender, despite the thousands of dead. While Washington sees a cease-fire followed by a regional deal as an answer, Mr. Netanyahu is contemptuous of the idea. He believes only force will compel Hamas to concede and restore Israel’s strategic deterrence toward Iran and its proxies, especially Hezbollah.
Absent a clear goal in the war, however, Mr. Netanyahu’s defiance is dividing Israel from its allies and the country itself. It has further shaken trust in his leadership. It is fueling suspicions that he is keeping the country at war to keep himself in power. It is intensifying a deep rift inside the society — about the fate of Israeli hostages, the conduct of the war and the rule of law — that is challenging the institutional bonds that hold Israel together.
“Israel’s international image continues to take hits since October — despite nine months of war, its military objectives are unmet, and its reputation socially and domestically is also damaged,” said Sanam Vakil, a Middle East analyst at Chatham House.
Falcon29
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This is BS to make Iran and resistance axis stand down. US is showing absolutely no signs of compelling Israel to make a ceasefire in Gaza. Instead it says it wants to isolate the conflict to Gaza and 'destroy' Hamas. Meaning the US is sponsoring a never ending war on Gaza. It just wants it to stay in Gaza.
Liquidator
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Al-Zakir
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AT least, you could have cut off oil supply. Could you not?
I agree. It's a little irritating. Iran is knowingly or unknowingly giving the perception that they are coordinating with the enemy before striking them. They are only getting partial credit for their bravery instead of full recognition.
@Persian Gulf what are they thinking? Why not just Bang?
Meengla
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Americans know that the conflict can't stay in Gaza and hasn't stay in Gaza. Hezbollah struck, unilaterally, shortly after October 7, because they had to. I really believe Americans didn't want a regional war then and now want it even less, having seen their attack dog couldn't even deal with Gazan resistance to 'finish off', a term used by Trump.
NY Times is in bed with the American Deep State and especially closer to the Democrats. This article reflects the frustration in the Biden administration. Americans know what a regional war would mean--not good for Americans either--but Netanyahu has gone 'rogue'.
And, yes, I know well the support given to Israel since October 7. That was an 'automatic' support but that doesn't mean Americans wanted or want now a regional war.
CrniLabud
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The saudi, uae arabs were nothing for thousands of years. Simply beduins and they discovered oil. you can put a suit on an illiterate villager and shiny shoes, comb their hair and put perfume on them, but they are still an ignorant, illiterate villager. Beduins have no culture compared to the other arabs and today they are in a place of power which they do not understand.
925boy
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They already saw how that worked on Yemen/Houthis. let them Try again! lmao.
925boy
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If US believed it had a real chance of destroying Iran, it would have already attacked Iran by now- the cost on US to attack and destroy Iran is the highest at this moment and plus, a war with Iran means that Ukraine collapses sooner.
925boy
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IF you replace "Iran" with "Iraq" in all the places you mentioned Iraq, then these your comments will make sense.
If you really meant to reference Iran here, then your analysis is based on realities from around year 2005 or so.
You underestimate Iran's military capabilities because you are ignorant of them.
925boy
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So that people pay attention!
hussain0216
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If Iran is targeted it will respond by wiping out every U.S base in the region
Unlike Iraq, Iran has OFFENSIVE CAPABILITIES, and thoze words mean everything, it means that you cant build up forces against Iran because those forces risk being overwhelmed
You can hit Iran, sure
But iran can hit back
In the end all you would do is create a situation, where a iranian victory is inevitable, as Iran as a country will not go anywhere and U.S bases would be destroyed
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