Afghanistan: General News and Discussion

[Raiden]

Dreamer, you know you are a dreamer?
In France, Germany, easy Europe, the full right wing party are growing fastly. Just for this reason : we don't want to become muslims. It's as simple as that.

I understand, totally. People in France doesn't want their culture to be replaced...but so is people in the Middle East, Africa and so on.

Look, if this is all about people's 'opinion' on things, then I wouldn't bother commenting. But from the look of it (and eventually just like all previous civilization) the West will eventually decline (if it had not already) to the point of irrelevance, and when that time comes, the only civilization that is ready and close enough to Europe to impose its will is Islam.

So I'm not joking nor am I dreaming whatsoever when I said that eventually Islamic armies will again land its feet in Europe. This has been the norm for centuries.

And when islam armies do finally enters Europe, you'd bet your money that we will impose our values the same way you try to impose Western values in Afghanistan

simple as that.

 

[BP2]

I understand, totally. People in France doesn't want their culture to be replaced...but so is people in the Middle East, Africa and so on.

Look, if this is all about people's 'opinion' on things, then I wouldn't bother commenting. But from the look of it (and eventually just like all previous civilization) the West will eventually decline (if it had not already) to the point of irrelevance, and when that time comes, the only civilization that is ready and close enough to Europe to impose its will is Islam.

So I'm not joking nor am I dreaming whatsoever when I said that eventually Islamic armies will again land its feet in Europe. This has been the norm for centuries.

And when islam armies do finally enters Europe, you'd bet your money that we will impose our values the same way you try to impose Western values in Afghanistan

simple as that.

I congrat you for the arguments.
I globally agree except that in Europe the end will be the same than in afghanistan : a total reject, eventually arms in hand, from the european endemic people against an islamisation of our lands.

As a french, I can confirm you than in no more than 5 years the point of view of a majority is more and more radical against islam (not as a religion, but as a politic program because it is also that).

We didn't try to impose the western values in africa or afghanistan. We try to impose democracy. It's not the same. We failed.
Islam will failed the same way to impose its views to western people.

 

[RescueRanger]

Good arguments overall by both members on this thread. Last three/four posts were a good read. Thank you for taking the time to share your opinions..

 

[Sharma Ji]

They don't call them Tali-ban for nothing

 

[RescueRanger]

They don't call them Tali-ban for nothing

At this rate they will hopefully end up banning themselves.

 

[Alter_Ego]

Taliban is not following the tradition of The Prophet and his contemporaries. Muslim women were participating in public discourse and some were scholars and leaders, some even warriors.

I dont know enough about Afghan culture but maybe traditional tribal afghan culture has been mixed up with Islam?

 

[RescueRanger]

Taliban is not following the tradition of The Prophet and his contemporaries. Muslim women were participating in public discourse and some were scholars and leaders, some even warriors.

I dont know enough about Afghan culture but maybe traditional tribal afghan culture has been mixed up with Islam?

Afghan culture was never regressive or oppressive historically. The burqa was an "import" into Afghanistan. I have worked in Afghanistan so have a little more insight into this than the average observer/commentator on Afghanistan.

 

[Alter_Ego]

Afghan culture was never regressive or oppressive historically. The burqa was an "import" into Afghanistan. I have worked in Afghanistan so have a little more insight into this than the average observer/commentator on Afghanistan.

Interesting.

From what i read, black burka didnt exist in Arabia during The Prophets' time.
Presumabley its a later phenomenon that orginially sprung up during Abbasid period and originated in Persia.

 

[Raiden]

I congrat you for the arguments.
I globally agree except that in Europe the end will be the same than in afghanistan : a total reject, eventually arms in hand, from the european endemic people against an islamisation of our lands.

As a french, I can confirm you than in no more than 5 years the point of view of a majority is more and more radical against islam (not as a religion, but as a politic program because it is also that).

I know, but it will be to no avail. Because Islam will prevail in the end.

Also the right wing will likely exhaust themselves fighting the left/extreme left which is also on emergency mode, alarmed by the rise of the right that they view as an existential threat.

We will let you guys fight each other. Btw this fighting between the left and right in Europe is what everyone would expect from a declining society.

We didn't try to impose the western values in africa or afghanistan. We try to impose democracy. It's not the same. We failed.

Democracy is a Western value/political model mate LMAO.

If you missed history class or anything, democracy originated from today's Greece, which is btw part of European Union.

Islam will failed the same way to impose its views to western people.

Umm I don't think so. Islam is a more entrenched system than all known political system, including Democracy. There is a reason why Islam survive the persecution of the communist in Central Asia, or from the Secularist in Turkey. It is very entrenched, once you gets in, hard to get out.

Anatolia, Syria, Egypt, Bosnia used to be the bastion of Christianity, while Indonesia and Malaysia were once a Hindu society. What happened?

So imo, when Islam does finally rebound, and once it finally gather the strength to impose its will, we'll likely see the same pattern that happens in those areas above to be successfully implemented in Europe.

Like I said, there will likely be time, when women in Europe dresses themselves in Abayas. And I'm not even joking.

 

[Raiden]

I know, but it will be to no avail. Because Islam will prevail in the end.

Also the right wing will likely exhaust themselves fighting the left/extreme left which is also on emergency mode, alarmed by the rise of the right that they view as an existential threat.

We will let you guys fight each other. Btw this fighting between the left and right in Europe is what everyone would expect from a declining society.

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Democracy is a Western value/political model mate LMAO.

If you missed history class or anything, democracy originated from today's Greece, which is btw part of European Union.



Umm I don't think so. Islam is a more entrenched system than all known political system, including Democracy. There is a reason why Islam survive the persecution of the communist in Central Asia, or from the Secularist in Turkey. It is very entrenched, once you gets in, hard to get out.

Anatolia, Syria, Egypt, Bosnia used to be the bastion of Christianity, while Indonesia and Malaysia were once a Hindu society. What happened?

So imo, when Islam does finally rebound, and once it finally gather the strength to impose its will, we'll likely see the same pattern that happens in those areas above to be successfully implemented in Europe.

Like I said, there will likely be time, when women in Europe dresses themselves in Abayas. And I'm not even joking.

This is why it is of outmost importance that EVERY Islamic government pay attention to the issues of woman. You would want to promote your society as superior to your foe, and that is impossible if you adopted their (West) way of thinking, including what is the true role of a women in a society.

IMO, the modern Islamic view of what a women is and should do has been heavily penetrated by the West. We need to impose back those traditions where women are limited in their public role, size and scope.

The IEA seems to understand this.

 

[BP2]

We need to impose back those traditions where women are limited in their public role, size and scope.

INCREDIBLE.
So for you a woman is just an uterus...

Don't be surprised if we, the west, refuse this well bradcast islam point of view.

Nota : in your veins there are vaccines invented by women....

 

[Alter_Ego]

INCREDIBLE.
So for you a woman is just an uterus...

If you think of it, ironically that is exactly what many western women have become in reality. Just a object for the viewing pleasure of men. And it manifest in many different ways, including entertainment and fashion.

 

[PakFactor]

INCREDIBLE.
So for you a woman is just an uterus...

Don't be surprised if we, the west, refuse this well bradcast islam point of view.

Nota : in your veins there are vaccines invented by women....

Uterus? I have lived in the US since the age of two, and the society I've seen that has sexualized females the most is the West to the point it's degraded itself. Islam is by far the leased that considers females just a uterus. There is nothing wrong with females working and going to school, and it's for each country to decide what they do, but for both males and females, there should be some acceptable social boundaries, and behaviors.

 

[Raiden]

INCREDIBLE.
So for you a woman is just an uterus...

I never said that

Don't be surprised if we, the west, refuse this well bradcast islam point of view.

Nota : in your veins there are vaccines invented by women....

I do wish you to accept our view willingly, but if you don't that is fine as well. Because you and I will likely be dead once an Islamic Paris becomes a reality

Due to the earlier factors I wrote here:

1. Societal decline which led to political and economic decline which leads to military decline
2. demographic changes

I think in a century we will be seeing this as the norm on the streets of Paris

 

[BP2]

If you think of it, ironically that is exactly what many western women have become in reality. Just a object for the viewing pleasure of men. And it manifest in many different ways, including entertainment and fashion.

Not really. West women are fully masters of their body and their pleasure.
I have pleasure to see a beautifull woman in sexy clothes. Then I don't have in mind to sexually assult her. On the contrary I hate to see a woman wearing what looks to a black trash bag that hide all her body.

The problem seems more the man attitude versus woman. Why covering them from head to feet when the guy just have to restrain himself ?