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[Yasser76]

The main point is that getting 5th Gen well ahead of India, after a long time gives Pakistan chance to get back to ‘Quality over Quantity’ that has historically served them so well. They struggled to maintain this concept when they were faced with Western sanctions and no viable alternatives but China’s amazing advances have changed all that and instead of playing catch up and for example for a significant period making do with wvr combat practice in the absence of bvr weapons, they can actually snatch the initiative back. It is absolutely the right thing for them not to miss that chance. Gaining / absorbing 5th Gen fighters well ahead of India is a masssive advantage and its impact will be felt for years to come. Issues like TOT, when and how India will catch up to me at least pale to insignificance in comparison. You feel that the latter are more important than the former, so yes that is hard for me to understand.

100% hard agree

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Hi,

It is not because of india persay---but in a manner it is---.

As india got stuck with the Rafale---Paf decided to leap frog ahead of the game---. By the time they get their 5th gen aircraft---Paf will be looking into the 6th gen aircraft.

That maybe one reason---but there is another reason---.

What's the other reason?

 

[100%_Guest]

…so yes acquiring it now…would give Pakistan a lead…but in the long run…India too will get a 5th gen jet. Idk how that was hard to understand.

40+yrs later down the road? after all IN wants NATIVE jets.

 

[UKBengali]

The main point is that getting 5th Gen well ahead of India, after a long time gives Pakistan chance to get back to ‘Quality over Quantity’ that has historically served them so well. They struggled to maintain this concept when they were faced with Western sanctions and no viable alternatives but China’s amazing advances have changed all that and instead of playing catch up and for example for a significant period making do with wvr combat practice in the absence of bvr weapons, they can actually snatch the initiative back. It is absolutely the right thing for them not to miss that chance. Gaining / absorbing 5th Gen fighters well ahead of India is a masssive advantage and its impact will be felt for years to come. Issues like TOT, when and how India will catch up to me at least pale to insignificance in comparison. You feel that the latter are more important than the former, so yes that is hard for me to understand.

PAF should reduce future orders for J-10C and place orders for J-35 instead.

No need to waste money buying even the excellent 4+ generation J-10CE in the 2030s.

This will give the PAF a 10-15 year head start over IAF, which will have to wait for the UK/Italy/Japan Tempest till it gets an equivalent fighter. F-35 is no match for J-35A even if somehow the Indians got hold of it.

 

[alphapak]

PAF should reduce future orders for J-10C and place orders for J-35 instead.

No need to waste money buying even the excellent 4+ generation J-10CE in the 2030s.

PAF will get more of both fighter jets in future, not everything is paid with
money.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

As for J35 advantage in the short term…
…which will eventually disappear…that’s the same with all things. Ur enemy doesn’t just keep on sleeping. They eventually acquire the ability to counter…or get an equivalent ability to deal the same blow. Just like how Pakistan does whatever it can to put Indian military capabilities in check…so does India…
…so yes acquiring it now…would give Pakistan a lead…but in the long run…India too will get a 5th gen jet. Idk how that was hard to understand.

It's more important for Pak to be as much awake as possible, for a short nap and a slight slumber mean death......

A close strategic cooperation with China and Turkey means the PAF has a greater chance of remaining ahead on the "innovation and learning" curve vis-a-vis the IAF. A FGF isn't just a fighter, it's the stepping stone toward realizing the 6th gen CCA (Collaborative Combat Aircraft) concept of networking manned and unmanned assets to achieve the tactical, operational, and strategic objectives at the shortest possible time. Since it has turned into an "Engineer vs Engineer Warfare", even ahead by a day means ahead by a year in the wider geo-strategic canvas, for which 24 hours is like a long time to make the best chalked out calculations upside down...

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

It’s not getting them now, the purchase is at least a couple of years away.
Whether or not, any of the money to be spent on this purchase could be diverted to the economy is a moot point until we know how it is financed. Eg soft loan on long term from China specifically for this purchase could hardly be used in any meaningful way on the economy.
You think it’s an ‘expensive’ purchase in ‘the short term’? What like the J-10’s were?
I don’t really understand this obsession with TOT especially since Pakistan is likely unable to absorb the same.
For Pakistan at least KAAN is little more than a pipe dream. Let’s talk when Turkey has its own power plant for the type.
Don’t really understand how you agree that it provides deterrence agree that Pakistan can use it effectively in skirmishes ‘here and there’ and then say that Pakistan won’t really use it to its ‘advantage’ - how else do you define using it to their ‘advantage’?!
And you’re concerned that in the long term this advantage would ‘thin out’ - so your logic is not to bother getting the advantage since in the long term you think it might thin out? And the enemy ‘might’ end up on a level playing field. Sorry, struggling to follow your logic now.

In the long-term we're all dead. The trick lies in surviving in the short-term to enjoy in the long-term...

Few stanza's from A Psalm of Life (by Longfellow):

Trust no Future, howe’er pleasant!
Let the dead Past bury its dead!
Act,— act in the living Present!
Heart within, and God o’erhead!

Lives of great men all remind us
We can make our lives sublime,
And, departing, leave behind us
Footprints on the sands of time;

Footprints, that perhaps another,
Sailing o’er life’s solemn main,
A forlorn and shipwrecked brother,
Seeing, shall take heart again.

Let us, then, be up and doing,
With a heart for any fate;
Still achieving, still pursuing,
Learn to labor and to wait.

 

[mythbuster]

It's more important for Pak to be as much awake as possible, for a short nap and a slight slumber mean death......

A close strategic cooperation with China and Turkey means the PAF has a greater chance of remaining ahead on the "innovation and learning" curve vis-a-vis the IAF. A FGF isn't just a fighter, it's the stepping stone toward realizing the 6th gen CCA (Collaborative Combat Aircraft) concept of networking manned and unmanned assets to achieve the tactical, operational, and strategic objectives at the shortest possible time. Since it has turned into an "Engineer vs Engineer Warfare", even ahead by a day means ahead by a year in the wider geo-strategic canvas, for which 24 hours is like a long time to make the best chalked out calculations upside down...

Great post .

 

[Oscar]

PAF should reduce future orders for J-10C and place orders for J-35 instead.

No need to waste money buying even the excellent 4+ generation J-10CE in the 2030s.

This will give the PAF a 10-15 year head start over IAF, which will have to wait for the UK/Italy/Japan Tempest till it gets an equivalent fighter. F-35 is no match for J-35A even if somehow the Indians got hold of it.

You need both - an all 5th gen fleet is actually a bit overkill and also unsuitable for certain tasks due to the need for higher maintenance.

In addition - think of 5th gen’s on radar and other electronic and IR intelligence systems as pin drops.

If everything is a pin drop you will be able to kind of pinpoint it - but if you have violins, screeches , drums , taps and everything playing - then a pindrop is completely missed as it comes for you.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

PAF should reduce future orders for J-10C and place orders for J-35 instead.

No need to waste money buying even the excellent 4+ generation J-10CE in the 2030s.

This will give the PAF a 10-15 year head start over IAF, which will have to wait for the UK/Italy/Japan Tempest till it gets an equivalent fighter. F-35 is no match for J-35A even if somehow the Indians got hold of it.

Imagine this brother, Pakistan operating the 3 Js (no more Mirages or F-16s):

Category​	Aircraft​	Quantity​	Role​
Light-weight​	JF-17:Thunder​	180​	Indian Fanny Opener​
Medium-weight​	J-10CE​	100​	Indian Fanny Penetrator​
Heavy-weight​	J-31 Gyrfalcon​	36​	Indian Fanny Destroyer​

 

[UKBengali]

You need both - an all 5th gen fleet is actually a bit overkill and also unsuitable for certain tasks due to the need for higher maintenance.

In addition - think of 5th gen’s on radar and other electronic and IR intelligence systems as pin drops.

If everything is a pin drop you will be able to kind of pinpoint it - but if you have violins, screeches , drums , taps and everything playing - then a pindrop is completely missed as it comes for you.

Yes 40 J-35 backed up by 40 J-10CEs would be ideal for PAF as the “spear” of the force.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

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[Faithfulguy]

Imagine this brother, Pakistan operating the 3 Js (no more Mirages or F-16s):

Category​	Aircraft​	Quantity​	Role​
Light-weight​	JF-17:Thunder​	180​	Indian Fanny Opener​
Medium-weight​	J-10CE​	100​	Indian Fanny Penetrator​
Heavy-weight​	J-31 Gyrfalcon​	36​	Indian Fanny Destroyer​

When Pakistan buy the planes from China. Make sure that they include some “fantastic tea” into the deal.

 

[Analyst]

Yes 40 J-35 backed up by 40 J-10CEs would be ideal for PAF as the “spear” of the force.

More like 100 of each in the long-term. You don't get only 40 of a single fighter in a country like Pakistan

 

[guangdongt]