Russia *OPEN TO PEACE* deal with Ukraine with Trump in office

[j_hungary]

There is 7 billion left. But what difference does it make? It's only enough for some 155 mm shells. It's not going to change the tide of battle. More and more of Donbas will be lost. By the end of next year Ukrainian Donbas will shrink to like half of what it is now.

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Again, this is not just for this year, that package is 61 billion, not 13, 13 is for this year, then another 13 for 2025 another 13 for 2026. and the rest goes to Ukrainian Government.

 

[j_hungary]

Good point, and the answer (at least to me) seems to be no. Russia is running out of soldiers and doesn't have the luxury of time to train more, thus it's hiring PMCs and trading tech with the DPRK in exchange for soldiers.

I honestly do not think Russia can sustain itself in Ukraine.

The Ukrainians are fighting to exist, so they'll find to the end. The Russians don't have this problem, which is why we're seeing so many people leave Russia since 2022 (it's also why Russia restricted emigration after 2022).

Something I know from my former job as a military intelligence officer is for you to study POW. I watch a lot of POW video from both side, and you can see the people in Ukraine conduct quite uniformally, they have similar equipment upon capture, that mean they are trained in the same way, being equipped to a standard.

Russian POW however, does not have the same standard over the year, I remember back when they were captured by the Ukrainian, their kit in 2022 is quite enough (still not the kit I would want to go fight a conventional war) but as we move by down the road, everything they carry has shrink One video I saw with a soldier being capture and stripped in 2024 and he is wearing minimal gear, rifle, vest (not even a body armour) and helmet, not enough food for 3 days (standard op pack) operation and just about enough ammo to last for a medium firefight (around 180 rounds, you need about 270-300) And their IFAK was missing quite a few things (Gauss, Scissor, Picks and no wet dressing) and it's so substandard I wouldn't have it at my home, because it did nothing, let alone going to war with that. No individual radio, optics, and no accessories such as VS Panel (Or whatever Russian equivalent to VS panel, which is just a folded flag but essential for not getting Green-on-Green by your own Airforce)

The reason this is the case is because Russian had expanded their military, yes, there are more people, but their equipment field rate are the same (or may even be lower, I don't know) which mean people are bringing in less gear to war to even things out, that never a good thing for an army, I would imagine Russian military probably is raiding those North Korean Kim send to Russia for Kursk, because suspiciously, they weren't wearing standard NK uniform, they were wearing Russian gear. It would make sense if they didn't tell you North Korean are coming, but they did, which make putting them in Russian gear no meaning at all.

 

[UKBengali]

Or, it could mean they're desperate. The fact that they had to go out to north Korea to get additional man power says a lot.

Not sure how much difference that N Korea's 10K troops are going to be making to be honest.

Russia is trying to avoid conscripting as many "real Russians" as possible and so that is why they have been bribing and forcing as many ethnic minorities to fight in Ukraine as they can.

Now if in return for missile technology, N Korea is willing to send some soldiers to man the border regions with Ukraine then that is all good for Russia. N Korean troops are not going to be fighting against Ukrainians anytime soon, if ever.

If the need arises then they can call on more "real Russians" to fight in Ukraine.

The evidence suggests that Russia is about(12-18 months) to collapse Ukraine and not vice-versa. EU countries like Germany are already cutting aid as they don't have much money and know it is a losing cause. UK has also done something similar.

 

[hussain0216]

Seeing dead Ukrainian kids makes you feel better? That sort of thinking is no better than the racist zionists.

By the way, Russia is just as much of an enemy of Muslims as zionists are, they're just not stupid enough to openly say it.

That's why the war continuing is perfect for us

A couple of million dead Ukrainians and Russians helps Muslims in Russia and forces Russia to bring in more central Asians to cover the job market

As you say Russia has never really been a friend, it's just stuck now


And I will say this clearly the last year of war in Gaza will wake up many people to reality
If you don't match Zionist or white colonial supremacist with your own extremism, then you will drown

And thinking from that point of view


The fastest growing segment of russian population is it's Muslim population, so whether through birth or migration, Russia is changing

And whether Russia intends to or not Russia is fighting for the world against the western order


So a best case scenario for the world is a slow brutal fight that kill millions of Ukrainians and sucks up billions in western funds whilst Russia slowly grinds to victory whilst losing millions of its own in a fight between two genocidal groups ie the west and the russians

 

[drkrn86]

Europeans would double aid to Ukraine and the war would continue

Very unlikely. The previous USA government have backed up this war.
With their current economic conditions and impact of this prolonged conflict, none will have the hunger for this conflict to extend.

 

[drkrn86]

Russia has so many soldiers that they need North Koreans as cannon fodder

So bad that you didn't consider this a chance to teat their interoperability.
China wouldnt join for obvious reasons but am sure that they are working with the Russians.

 

[drkrn86]

Then Russia has won and NATO has lost

I have a different view.
Finland joined Nato. All the past goodwill with Ujraine lost by Russia.
In the end Nato expanded while Russia had a Pyrrhic Victory with severe degradation of economic and military capabilities for the time to come.

 

[drkrn86]

Trump cannot say "STOP" and the war stops just like that.

Trump can't digest defeat. He will find another way to stop Ukraine.

Democrats made sure that Ukraine will get what it needs in the first year of Trump Presidency.

It can get delayed, indefinitely.

 

[r3alist]

You make it sound like Russia is any better. Take away the hydrocarbons Russia is a bigger mess.

The annual budget is more than $1 trillion. Giving $20 billion to Ukraine to tie up the Russian army seems like a no-brainer to me. Giving $20 billion to British weapon manufacturers and sending the weapons to UK seems even better

Come on, you don't believe that as you type

 

[r3alist]

Do you have any idea how much anxiety there is in the UK with the largest tax rises for decades when the economy is so poor anyway? Businesses are saying they may have to cut thousands of jobs as they cannot afford to pay the increased employment costs.

This country is PRACTICALLY BANKRUPT. It does not have 20 billion to give to anyone.

Heating costs

Shoplifting pandemic

Crime

Migration



It's sad, the people deserve better they trust the system they pay for


Billions on billions abroad

 

[r3alist]

That's why the war continuing is perfect for us

A couple of million dead Ukrainians and Russians helps Muslims in Russia and forces Russia to bring in more central Asians to cover the job market

As you say Russia has never really been a friend, it's just stuck now


And I will say this clearly the last year of war in Gaza will wake up many people to reality
If you don't match Zionist or white colonial supremacist with your own extremism, then you will drown

And thinking from that point of view


The fastest growing segment of russian population is it's Muslim population, so whether through birth or migration, Russia is changing

And whether Russia intends to or not Russia is fighting for the world against the western order


So a best case scenario for the world is a slow brutal fight that kill millions of Ukrainians and sucks up billions in western funds whilst Russia slowly grinds to victory whilst losing millions of its own in a fight between two genocidal groups ie the west and the russians

Come on now, too cynical

If Russia is free from Ukraine will they have to agree to not support Iran

Will the conflict displace to Iran Israel.....

 

[mulj]

Good point, and the answer (at least to me) seems to be no. Russia is running out of soldiers and doesn't have the luxury of time to train more, thus it's hiring PMCs and trading tech with the DPRK in exchange for soldiers.

I honestly do not think Russia can sustain itself in Ukraine.

The Ukrainians are fighting to exist, so they'll find to the end. The Russians don't have this problem, which is why we're seeing so many people leave Russia since 2022 (it's also why Russia restricted emigration after 2022).

you underestimate russia, reason why they deploy such troops on front is because they can and true motive is like it was american vietnam war and all others after that where the front meat was mainly consisted from minorites in order to preserve white population and social cohesion.

 

[Yommie]

Again, this is not just for this year, that package is 61 billion, not 13, 13 is for this year, then another 13 for 2025 another 13 for 2026. and the rest goes to Ukrainian Government.

Only 13 out of 60 are for Ukraine, the rest are for replenishing American stock.

 

[UKBengali]

Trump can't digest defeat. He will find another way to stop Ukraine.

It can get delayed, indefinitely.

They have said they will send all promised materials to Ukraine before Trump takes over.

 

[Yommie]

They have said they will send all promised materials to Ukraine before Trump takes over.

There's nothing left to send. If there were, they would have sent it already instead of talking about it.