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[Persian Gulf]

latest Ukraine claimed interception rate of Shahed-136 UAV: 53/83 = < 64%

big drop from the 100% claims from first months of the war

Shaheds becoming more and more valuable for Russia

 

[ToddE]

Too expensive (for Iran) and a HALE ideally needs a Sat comm network, something Iran still doesn’t have because of unreliable SLV tech. Supposedly the Solemani constellation is supposed to be that, who knows when that will come to fruition. We are severely behind in Space race to the likes of India and other middle tier space powers.

Anyway Ground based stations can you get you a few hundred kms at most. But for something like a global hawk class drone you need real data link capabilities as I’m sure your well aware.

Also what in the world happened to the Jahesh-700 (FJ33/44)?

I don’t think Iran has provided any proof it can mass produce Owj or Jahesh-700 reliabily and cost effectively. Remember they abandoned the Soumar due to trouble with reverse engineering the Russian engine on it and it ended up being more costly and less performance than the Russian version (allegedly).

Considering the large geography of Iran, unmanned-AWACS/SIGINT/ELINT/Attack platforms are needed within Iran or on the periphery of its borders too. You are considering the role of RQ-4 in USAF only, Iran does not need to operate a turbojet-powered Shahed-149 HALE 10000+ KM away, it needs to secure its bordered zones first.

With the advent of HGVs, MARVs, ALBM etc GWACS or IADS search/track assets are not to be solely relied upon because of lack of quick mobility, so we do need an Unmanned-AWACS/ system within or on the periphery of Iran.

As for the cost of OWJ turbojets, we dont need a fleet of like 100 of them. Just a 1-2 squadrons of 15-25 will be enough, the AWACS version can have something like SAIRAN upgraded/enhanced AWG-9. SSJ pushed the search-only range of AWG-9 to APG-71 standard in F-14AM (300+ KM for bomber sized RCS). May be a little more effort and $ can give us a 500+ KM range with good SAR capability and datalinking. Such a system can be put on HALEs to operate in collusion with IADS. If someone attacks IADS search/track assets on ground the aerial asset of IADS still sees the enemy.

If BT is to be believed, OWJ turbojets are built in Iran but with black-market components of later versions of J-85. Apparently, parts from J85-GE-17C (the particular example in IRIAF F-5) can't be used in them. This is one of the many reasons, the unit cost of the Kowsar program exceeded expectations.

I do not think Jahesh-700 had any other application than Shahed-171 which never got into mass production compared to Shahed-191 so the program stayed a technology demonstrator of a single crystal Iranian turbofan. Story of most of the mismanaged Iranian defense programs that remained a prototype.

 

[ParthianLord]

latest Ukraine claimed interception rate of Shahed-136 UAV: 53/83 = < 64%

big drop from the 100% claims from first months of the war

Shaheds becoming more and more valuable for Russia

64% lmao...

total bullshit.

if Ukrainians claim 64% reality will be like 10-20%... we all see daily those clips of Gerans/Shaheds hitting their positions and very rarely one getting shot down before impact.

remember they also claimed they intercepted 70% of all incoming Kinzhal hypersonic missiles fired by Russia.

while in reality the likely intercepted not a single one.

and you comment "becoming more and more valuable for Russia"

Shaheds have been for a time now Russia main long range attack weapon for this war,they had though a limited number but now their arsenal is increased alot (now with a "shahed factory" established in Russia´s Dagestan co built by Russia/Iran)

 

[jauk]

64% lmao...

total bullshit.

if Ukrainians claim 64% reality will be like 10-20%... we all see daily those clips of Gerans/Shaheds hitting their positions and very rarely one getting shot down before impact.

remember they also claimed they intercepted 70% of all incoming Kinzhal hypersonic missiles fired by Russia.

while in reality the likely intercepted not a single one.

and you comment "becoming more and more valuable for Russia"

Shaheds have been for a time now Russia main long range attack weapon for this war,they had though a limited number but now their arsenal is increased alot (now with a "shahed factory" established in Russia´s Dagestan co built by Russia/Iran)

The point is that even if a small number get through the damage inflicted is enormous. the percentages have no value other than propaganda. The average person sees '64%' and rejoices. The more educated see '38%' got through meaning enormous damage was inflicted. This 'data' released by the breakaway entity is not for you and I and I'm not sure why its posted here in the first place.

 

[jauk]

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[vmro]

The point is that even if a small number get through the damage inflicted is enormous. the percentages have no value other than propaganda. The average person sees '64%' and rejoices. The more educated see '38%' got through meaning enormous damage was inflicted. This 'data' released by the breakaway entity is not for you and I and I'm not sure why its posted here in the first place.

After first few months war in Ukraine, omnipotent turkish drones has been almost forgotten, I think that best marketing thing for Iranian drones came from Ukrainian president, owner of Bayraktars, who said why Iranian drones are better and practically invincible... they spread irritating noise among masses, many of interceptors are more expensive than drones, enemies have to waste resources and energy and concentration to neutralize them...

Of course, in one on one situation, Bayraktar is in advantage over Shahed, but when you have 20 shaheed for price of one bayraktar, any discussion about best-buy product is not serious....

They are ak-47 for modern wars in this concept and design, too much improving and more expensive could degrade their usefulness, thay are already near perfect ...

 

[muhammed45]

Europe imposed sanctions on IRISL the Iranian shipping line for transferring drone parts to Russia. They also sanctioned Russian ARAPAX, FLOT and MG VTS Broker with the same excuse.

Europe as a whole has truned to a rogue elements in international scene.

 

[Mehdipersian]

After first few months war in Ukraine, omnipotent turkish drones has been almost forgotten, I think that best marketing thing for Iranian drones came from Ukrainian president, owner of Bayraktars, who said why Iranian drones are better and practically invincible... they spread irritating noise among masses, many of interceptors are more expensive than drones, enemies have to waste resources and energy and concentration to neutralize them...

Of course, in one on one situation, Bayraktar is in advantage over Shahed, but when you have 20 shaheed for price of one bayraktar, any discussion about best-buy product is not serious....

They are ak-47 for modern wars in this concept and design, too much improving and more expensive could degrade their usefulness, thay are already near perfect ...

Bayraktar TB2 price :
5 million dollars

Shahed 136 price :
20 thousands dollars

 

[vmro]

Europe imposed sanctions on IRISL the Iranian shipping line for transferring drone parts to Russia. They also sanctioned Russian ARAPAX, FLOT and MG VTS Broker with the same excuse.

Europe as a whole has truned to a rogue elements in international scene.

EU is the most valuable proxy of usa for now...but there are some other candidates for that position, so they have to prove loyalty again and again...

 

[StrategicBear]

Shaded-136 can not hit Howitzers , MLRS , Air Defense Systems and moving Tanks

TB-2 UCAV now armed with 25 km MAM-L IIR and 200 km KEMANKES to hit Howitzers , MLRS , Air Defense Systems and moving Tanks

Shaded-136 is good to attack civilian targets
Russian forces hit the city of Hlukhiv in Sumy Oblast with Shahed-136 Drones, killing at least 6 people and injuring 12 others.

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Nope.

Bayraktar is not a survivable platform and is easily shot down with any country with a modern air defense system.

Is only a system good at bombing militias with no modern SAM systems like Kurds, while Iran's Shaheds are intended as a one-way use weapon and can be produced on a massive scale on the cheap, transforming warfare easily via the power of mass and scale...

 

[Flotilla]

Shaded-136 can not hit Howitzers , MLRS , Air Defense Systems and moving Tanks

TB-2 UCAV now armed with 25 km MAM-L IIR and 200 km KEMANKES to hit Howitzers , MLRS , Air Defense Systems and moving Tanks

Shaded-136 is good to attack civilian targets
Russian forces hit the city of Hlukhiv in Sumy Oblast with Shahed-136 Drones, killing at least 6 people and injuring 12 others.

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You mean fixed targets.
I know that some turkish have problems about what is civilian or not (judging their support to azari regime) but I am sure you are not one of those, am I right?.

 

[MMM-E]

they spread irritating noise among masses, many of interceptors are more expensive than drones, enemies have to waste resources and energy and concentration to neutralize them...

CIWS like Turkish 35 mm GOKDENIZ easly can intercept low speed Iranian Shahed-136 Drones to protect military targets

but Russia is using Shahed-136 Drones to attack civilian targets which lack Air Defense protection

 

[MMM-E]

Nope.

Bayraktar is not a survivable platform and is easily shot down with any country with a modern air defense system.

Is only a system good at bombing militias with no modern SAM systems like Kurds,

TB-2 UCAVs destroyed over 1.000 military equipment including 48 SAMs PANTSIR , TOR , BUK , S300 in Idlib/Syria , Libya , Karabakh and Ukraine

even TB-2 did it with 16 km MAM-L laser guided munition
now TB-2 armed with 200 km KEMANKES mini cruise Missile to hit Air Defense Systems from safe distance - stand off distance without endangering itself

TB-2 UCAV kill list .... Iranian Shaded-136 never can do it

A Monument Of Victory: The Bayraktar TB2 Kill List

www.oryxspioenkop.com

 

[jauk]

Shaded-136 can not hit Howitzers , MLRS , Air Defense Systems and moving Tanks

TB-2 UCAV now armed with 25 km MAM-L IIR and 200 km KEMANKES to hit Howitzers , MLRS , Air Defense Systems and moving Tanks

Shaded-136 is good to attack civilian targets
Russian forces hit the city of Hlukhiv in Sumy Oblast with Shahed-136 Drones, killing at least 6 people and injuring 12 others.

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What is the 'TB-2'.

Never heard of it.

 

[Mehdipersian]

New Ababil 2


With electro-optical seeker