Syrian Civil War and The future of Syria after liberation

[r3alist]

For China, Myanmar is definitely of greater importance than far off Middle East. They have no love or hate for either side of the conflict. They can always get oil at market price from anybody. If an unfriendly or unstable state develops in Myanmar, it is literally a major pain in the butt for China. Imagine an Afghanistan for Pakistan. They already have North Korea for their pet mad dog.

You miss the substantive point , repeatedly , so before writing you off as a waste of time....


In this week....... the USA has further consolidated the middle east, say what you want but that's not in China's interest


The Bri is diminished with Syria falling

Russia is weaker losing it's me presence, therefore the sco is less attractive, there is now only one super power in the region


And so is BRICS weaker

Why would you think about another global system when the existing one has out maneuvered the pretenders, Saudi will stick with petrodollar,India will have a reason to distance itself to the extent it wants to, other nations will all reconsider


The reality is china is clearly trying for global influence and leadership ..
Bri, Sco, brics


So I don't know how it makes sense to remain passive... boastful yet timid? only soft diplomacy?


It seems like they have not learnt this game, I think at this trajectory Iran and Russia might decide enough sacrifice and effectively allow USA to divert to china, and offer any required concessions

Ok then china will have to directly confront, everyone else around them is spent and war tired

 

[Ficus]

Q for @Sinan and anyone who knows about those two.

What is the relationship between HTS and SNA like? I thought they were going to merge for a unified Syria but there seems to be a clash of interest between those two from what’s happening in Manbij/SDF areas.

 

[Strider]

I'm sorry but you should know that nothing in the Middle East is at face value. Israel is the king of false flags and dirty tactics. They aren't going to announce a game plan publicly for what they are going to do. The fact that the invasion of Syria happened the day after the ceasefire with Hezbollah already tells you that Erdogan and Netanyahu are working together.

That may be so. But I do not think this was planned. It was more of a gamble. A dangerous one at that. Recent statements by the Zionist establishment certainly does indicate their concerns despite their celebration of Assad's fall. They are wary. There wasn't any much of a plan in the first place even though their intentions may be clear.

For now, what is important is that Syria is given the support needed to be on its feet as sovereign nation. It would be extremely irresponsible to not do so.

 

[r3alist]

And you are absolutely right. To the extent history and culture influence current policy, China has been remarkably reluctant to project force far beyond its borders.

They are an ancient culture who believed themselves to be the centre of the world. And only the centre was important, the rest was irrelevant.

In fact, such was their insularity that they even refused to acknowledged the invading British in the 19th century! That was one of the reasons that led to the infamous destruction of Old Summer Palace in Beijing by the British Army - to make a point about who was in charge.

But when China takes action near or along its borders, it acts with force. The Korean War, or the hugely underreported war with Russia in 1969 or Vietnam in 1978 are examples

Like anything else, it has its positives and negatives.

Different era and circumstances and realities

Today's china has global visions... brics bri

They will remain under developed ideas without china showing real leadership .... and action


If china wants to challenge the status quo they simply will have no credibility with other nations, potentially, if they remain passive

Right now existing world order looks a better bet

 

[Lulldapull]

Is this not waiting for the inevitable? You tell me

سب کو مالوم ہے مگر خاموش رہتے ہیں۔ غریب بھوکے ننگےدو منٹ مین حکومت بدلنا ہے ہمارے ملک میں اگر ہم نے بدماشی کری امریکا سے !

ایران بیچارا پھنس گیا ہے ایسی مسیبیت مین۔ اور کسی کی جرات نہیں یہودیوں کے اگے کھرے ہونے کے

چین کا ایک ہاتھ یار کام نہیں کرتا

ایران چین سے ایک نسل آگئے ہاتھ یار بنانے میں

Poor Iran is stuck in such a predicament. And no one dares to stand up to the Jews

China's one hand dude doesn't work

Iran came a generation from China in making hands

 

[Aziqbal]

The new Syrian government must negotiate with Putin of Russia the offer should be if you want to keep your bases in Syria, then hand over Asad

 

[Strider]

After the Hamas and Muslim Brotherhood success, you may observe that U.S. no longer promotes democracy, especially in Arab/Muslim countries. There is greater appreciation for the role of culture in the choice of polity a nation may prefer. The overreliance on democracy as a cure all for all ills of society went away with GW Bush. While it is true that Sisi went to school in U.S. and worked for some time here, his politics, especially Islamism was definitely homegrown and did not fit in with his military's ideals. That has no connection to receiving military aid from U.S. Turkish military also views itself as a strict enforcer of Kemalism (Secularism)

This.

In the years following 9/11, there was a trend to support authoritarian regimes over democratically elected ones so that perceived 'terrorists' are at least contained or at best, eliminated. But, it really boils down the U.S policy with respect to each country.

For example with regards to my country, the U.S had three guiding principles with regards to Bangladesh, popularly coined as the three Ds:

-Development.
-Denial to terrorism.
- Democracy.

While they have made some progress on the first two points, they completely failed at the last point.

Indian exaggeration and charlatanism enabled the Americans to be duped into believing that their favorite installed tyrant would benefit America's security all those years ago. That changed on August 5th 2024 known as the Monsoon Revolution.

So yes, they still do value democracy elsewhere around the globe. At least, at policy level.

 

[Strider]

• One group Humans will be working with AI , Quantum Computers , Space research and advance science, owning social media , owning Internet , owning science and research

• Other group will be trying to get 2 loaf of bread on table living in poverty
  • Being slaves pretty much
  • 2nd class treatment
  • Low life style
  • No human right as we see in Gaza /Westbank
  • We are already seeing signs of this poverty and lack of human rights in our life time

However , if the ones in power decide , you are to be exterminated , if you will be technologically behind you will be exterminated
It is the way of the world

This is a scenario that needs to be avoided. The Global South can potentially play its role.

The Global South has potential, but needs to be aligned so that everyone are on the same page. This is very important. And I would like to see at least one country go through significant changes to make this excercise happen.

• This illusion of good Muslim and bad Muslim , is only visible for 2-3 year timescale , if you view the big picture . All Muslims will be facing the fate which is being faced by Gaza and West Bank. You really have to look at history from time scale of about 150 years to see these patterns

Some folks will say , oh , we are different then those other Muslims , or you know we ain't like that , those Iranians or Syrians were crazy but
if you really view things deeply you will see all the nations had same issue

• Military Man toppled own government to start a chain reaction

Some elements in the West did try to 'water down' Islam as they saw fit. This exercise failed.

They should realize that Islam spans from the west coasts of Africa all the way to the coasts of the Philippines. Really not that easy to implement on wholescale.

 

[tower9]

That may be so. But I do not think this was planned. It was more of a gamble. A dangerous one at that. Recent statements by the Zionist establishment certainly does indicate their concerns despite their celebration of Assad's fall. They are wary. There wasn't any much of a plan in the first place even though their intentions may be clear.

For now, what is important is that Syria is given the support needed to be on its feet as sovereign nation. It would be extremely irresponsible to not do so.

They literally bribed the Syrian army months beforehand and timed the invasion to start on the day after the ceasefire.

It was planned dude.

 

[EyelessInGaza]

Different era and circumstances and realities

Today's china has global visions... brics bri

They will remain under developed ideas without china showing real leadership .... and action


If china wants to challenge the status quo they simply will have no credibility with other nations, potentially, if they remain passive

Right now existing world order looks a better bet

I agree with you that China may need to consider projecting military force to go with its status as a world power.

History teaches us that every single nation aspiring for global leadership has to be prepared to shed blood across the globe. It’s own and others’.

The Romans, the Ottomans, the Achaemenid Empire, the British, the Americans. Every single one.

But whether China’s native genius, traditional or culture will make it happen is anyone’s guess. That was my point.

 

[r3alist]

I agree with you that China may need to consider projecting military force to go with its status as a world power.

History teaches us that every single nation aspiring for global leadership has to be prepared to shed blood across the globe. It’s own and others’.

The Romans, the Ottomans, the Achaemenid Empire, the British, the Americans. Every single one.

But whether China’s native genius, traditional or culture will make it happen is anyone’s guess. That was my point.

Exactly, that's the open question

My other point is this, or question, how solid are china led initiatives looking long term, bri BRICS....


If china planned to use the Muslim world as a buffer or ally to us adventures then they actually need nations to exist


Russia kind of tried

 

[Foinikas]

Is there any difference between israel and Iran backed Assad regime?

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[Foinikas]

well they just lost the entire Syrian military infrastructure without saying a word

but ok, glad you are optimistic. lets check back in a few years to see how they are doing in their plan to fight Israel and free the Golan Heights .

"Iran occupiers of Syria!"

Israel grabs southern Syria,bombs the country,not a fire shot by the "liberators"

 

[Flotilla]

In simple words, mind your own business and let Syrians decide what's good for them.

Completely agreed.

Are them deciding?.
Really? Don't make me laugh, please. Syria is a broken toy in the hands of US, Turkey and Israel.

 

[Foinikas]

When Khalid Bin Waleed R.A. liberated Shaam, Al Quds was liberated a few years later.
Now Shaam has been liberated, Al Quds will follow soon.