Syrian Civil War and The future of Syria after liberation

[hyperman]

Can you do me a favour and translate this or just a summary bro

Summary from Hassan:

For years, Russia mediated a process designed to allow Assad’s military to function while limiting Iran & Hezbollah's ability to expand militarily in Syria. This mechanism required Israel to avoid certain strikes if these limitations were enforced.

The mechanism's goal: Prevent Iranian or Hezbollah weapon transfers & military build-ups while allowing Syrian army to address its "needs".This changed after Assad’s regime collapse, when Israel launched a campaign to wipe out all Syrian army sites & weapons in the past 48hrs.

Per the documents, an operative code-named "Moses"(Israeli) directly messaged former Syrian Defense Minister Lt. Gen. Ali Mahmoud Abbas. The messages were then forwarded to the former National Security Bureau head Ali Mamlouk.

These communications involve Israel's frustration over Syrian complicity in allowing Iranian and Hezbollah activities. “Moses” repeatedly issued warnings, detailing specific incidents and consequences if these actions continued.

April 8, 2023: Moses warned of Hamas’ activities in Syria:'Three rockets were launched from the Golan Heights by Hamas under Khaled Meshaal’s leadership. We demand you stop such preparations or face consequences. You’re responsible for what happens on your land.'

Israel’s warning escalated:"Our last measure was a warning shot. If you fail to curb these activities, the next attack will be far more severe. You will pay an unprecedented price."

May 7, 2023: Israel struck weapon depots linked to Damascus’ southern command & a training camp in Dumayr run by “The Golan File” led by Abu Hussain Sajid.Moses wrote:"We will not accept the presence of Hajj Hashem or his fighters in southern Syria."

May 17, 2023: Surveillance revealed eight planes landing in Hmeimim Air Base (4 Iran Air flights, 4 Ilyushin Il-76 planes from Syria's Brigade 29.) These planes transported weapons to depots in Latakia and Qutayfa.

'The Russian mechanism can still allow you to operate without risking Israeli retaliation. But supporting Iran & Hezbollah will force us to act severely. Any unmonitored activity bypassing Russian oversight will be seen as a direct threat to Israel and will provoke a response.'

July 14, 2023: the dude reiterated his intolerance for Syrian military cooperation with Iran and Hezbollah:"Supporting Hezbollah’s air defense capabilities is an act against Israel. This only serves Hezbollah’s interests, while causing harm to your military."

 

[hyperman]

Its hella deep, no wonder the Israelis blew up the Syrian Intelligence agency building.

That must have had a treasure trove of things. lol

 

[Foinikas]

to troll. Even a moderator had to tell you off. Are you drunk or under the influence of drugs? Who started with the silly insults, (harami, forgot or you don't even understand what you are writing)?

I started trolling? I didn't troll you, I saw you with a different nickname,thought you were banned because of your behavior yesterday.

Don't play around like a fool here, I can read you and your agenda here like an open book. Go fool some naive users who might believe your nonsense.

My "agenda"? Oh we got another one of those "you may fool others but I know what you are". Here we go again!

Lastly, if you stopped nagging me, I would not address you as 1) your posts are utter nonsense, 2) as a Greek I don't care about your opinion about events in the Arab world, 3) you are completely ignorant about the region, its history and what goes on, nor can you even speak Arabic. So yes, do me a favor, and stop trolling.

Habibi,it's not that I'm "ignorant about the region",it's that what I'm saying doesn't fit your wahabbi narration.

Ya @Ghostkiller akhy,can I speak Arabic? This Saudi here says I can't even speak Arabic.

 

[Mehdipersian]

Esra Erdoğan who's the daughter of Erdogan is this woman.

Not that woman, she just have the same name.

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And even she didn't said, "Aleppo belongs to Turkey"

Down with the Iranian propaganda. Shameless liars.

Ah yes, after the rebels took Aleppo, she says that:

" after 100 years, the Turkish flag has flown over Aleppo, this is a great victory. "

It has nothing to do with your people interest in occupying Syria

 

[_Arabia_]

I started trolling? I didn't troll you, I saw you with a different nickname,thought you were banned because of your behavior yesterday.

My "agenda"? Oh we got another one of those "you may fool others but I know what you are". Here we go again!



Habibi,it's not that I'm "ignorant about the region",it's that what I'm saying doesn't fit your wahabbi narration.

Ya @Ghostkiller akhy,can I speak Arabic? This Saudi here says I can't even speak Arabic.

@Musings

Personal insults, lies, sectarianism,, ignorance etc. How do you ignore users on this forum?

The guy shamelessly started the personal insults (harami etc.), trolling, off-topic posts (Al-Assad regime was being discussed he started wahtaboutism and lying at that too when he began) and then he has begun with his sectarianism (Wahhabi).

Is there a way so I don't have to read his ignorant nonsense posts and a way that this individual stops nagging me?

 

[hyperman]

Ah yes, after the rebels took Aleppo, she says that:

" after 100 years, the Turkish flag has flown over Aleppo, this is a great victory. "

It has nothing to do with your Turks' interest in occupying Syria

Brother they have IRGC banners flying in Iraq.

All the clergy from Iraq are trained in Iran, all the Militias take directives from the IRGC.

Those Militias are really just Arab IRGC.

You wanna get into a shit flinging contest, Turks can talk about Iran's role in Iraq. If anything Iran's role in Iraq is far more expansive than Turkey's in Syria.

 

[Musings]

Guys - this is a really sensitive subject and we need everyone’s views. Try to debate and be articulate - don’t abuse members - I will have to delete posts and this makes the discussion weaker
Discuss the topic and make life easier for the mods……

 

[Strider]

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This is the official Trump administration position (so far).

However I don't think that this approach will succeed, KSA is not going to abandon China (largest trade partner and a strategic partner) nor sign the Abraham Accords even less so now. For that to happen the Israeli policy would need to change fundamentally and a Palestinian state be established and USA would somehow have to offer a deal to MbS that he would not be able to refuse. I don't see it as likely at all.

However who knows what will happen?

As long as the Israeli hardliners are in charge, nothing is going to change in Israeli politics. See, Netanyahu is an extremely incompetent leader. This partly explains why he is trying his best to keep up wars. This is him trying to save his back. So Israeli politics as it stands now won't change anytime soon.

There is even talk about 'Greater Israel' among hardliners within Israeli political and military communities which also includes Mecca in Saudi Arabia.

That should give you an idea of what may come sooner than you know.

Sure, they may not have the resources or the numbers, but they may try to utilize another powerful country to at least partly realize that image.

This may be exaggerated, but the Zionists to the west haven't quite hidden their intentions. They are just bad news wherever they go.

 

[Musings]

@Musings

Personal insults, lies, sectarianism,, ignorance etc. How do you ignore users on this forum?

The guy shamelessly started the personal insults (harami etc.), trolling, off-topic posts (Al-Assad regime was being discussed he started wahtaboutism and lying at that too when he began) and then he has begun with his sectarianism (Wahhabi).

I’ve asked you to report the offensive post - why are you unable to do that bro? Then I can deal with it immediately

 

[_Arabia_]

I’ve asked you to report the offensive post - why are you unable to do that bro? Then I can deal with it immediately

Because I don't report any users or posts. I don't want anyone banned here even though I can disagree with them. The only thing I want is for them to stop the lies, personal insults and nagging (tagging out of nowhere). I have informative discussions with other users and then this guy starts his show and off-topic posts.

BTW I am not a Turk but even I have noticed his constant anti-Turkey trolling. His anti-KSA nonsense (lies) earlier a few pages ago, same thing and agenda. Yet in return I am yet to write a single thing about Greece other than saying that he as a Greek should not be talking about cooperation with Israel when his country has recognized them since forever and have close ties with them while KSA has yet to even recognize Israel let alone trade with them. He was talking about some imaginary "gifts and praise" It is like he is living in an alternative universe.

 

[Mehdipersian]

Brother they have IRGC banners flying in Iraq.

All the clergy from Iraq are trained in Iran, all the Militias take directives from the IRGC.

Those Militias are really just Arab IRGC.

You wanna get into a shit flinging contest, Turks can talk about Iran's role in Iraq. If anything Iran's role in Iraq is far more expansive than Turkey's in Syria.

What does this have to do with this issue?

The flags of Iraqi groups, Hezbollah, Yemen,hamas,phalestine, and even Syria are raised in Tehran and Iranian cities too.

Turkey has directly attacked Syria and their desire is to occupy the north of Syria. This is even stated in the treaty for turkish national ideology

 

[Musings]

Because I don't report any users or posts. I don't want anyone banned here even though I can disagree with them. The only thing I want is for them to stop the lies, personal insults and nagging (tagging out of nowhere). I have informative discussions with other users and then this guy starts his show and off-topic posts.

I won’t ban but at least I can remove the crap posts - with a diverse crowd it helps a fluent discussion

 

[UKBengali]

How is China next because Syria fell? lol

I don't get this logic. China is actually expanding its influence worldwide as we speak. It just opened a massive megaport in Peru which will completely alter trade patterns in the Pacific and draw South America closer to its influence. China is planning a moon landing by 2029 and a moon base after. It also just debuted a quantum computer.

Technologically it is advancing quickly on all fronts. Its trade is quickly moving away from the dollar and RMB use has increased rapidly.

Yes, Syria was a loss for the Axis of Resistance. But globally, it wasn't a core interest of China. Also, I wouldn't even want China to step in the Middle East militarily. Look at what Iran has done and sacrificed for and they only get hatred from these Sunni Arab slaves. So honestly, you can't help low IQ people if they constantly work against themselves. Look at the near terrorist anti-Assadists here.

China is shifting the balance of power globally worldwide and is providing viable alternatives for the non-Western world which is crucial and didn't exist before.

TBH, the only somewhat competent allies China has is Russia, North Korea and Iran to some extent. The rest aren't pulling their weight.

Do you think China will support Iran at least economically(import oil etc) if the Zio-US tries to strangle it economically after Trump comes into power?

Lots of people think that western sanctions will "force" China to abandon Iran but I see in 2025 that China can do as much damage to west as vice-versa.

To me it seems like China needs at least one powerful independent country in the ME(Iran) if it wants to have a credible chance to become a peer superpower to US over the next 10-15 years.

 

[Foinikas]

Summary from Hassan:

For years, Russia mediated a process designed to allow Assad’s military to function while limiting Iran & Hezbollah's ability to expand militarily in Syria. This mechanism required Israel to avoid certain strikes if these limitations were enforced.

The mechanism's goal: Prevent Iranian or Hezbollah weapon transfers & military build-ups while allowing Syrian army to address its "needs".This changed after Assad’s regime collapse, when Israel launched a campaign to wipe out all Syrian army sites & weapons in the past 48hrs.

Per the documents, an operative code-named "Moses"(Israeli) directly messaged former Syrian Defense Minister Lt. Gen. Ali Mahmoud Abbas. The messages were then forwarded to the former National Security Bureau head Ali Mamlouk.

These communications involve Israel's frustration over Syrian complicity in allowing Iranian and Hezbollah activities. “Moses” repeatedly issued warnings, detailing specific incidents and consequences if these actions continued.

April 8, 2023: Moses warned of Hamas’ activities in Syria:'Three rockets were launched from the Golan Heights by Hamas under Khaled Meshaal’s leadership. We demand you stop such preparations or face consequences. You’re responsible for what happens on your land.'

Israel’s warning escalated:"Our last measure was a warning shot. If you fail to curb these activities, the next attack will be far more severe. You will pay an unprecedented price."

May 7, 2023: Israel struck weapon depots linked to Damascus’ southern command & a training camp in Dumayr run by “The Golan File” led by Abu Hussain Sajid.Moses wrote:"We will not accept the presence of Hajj Hashem or his fighters in southern Syria."

May 17, 2023: Surveillance revealed eight planes landing in Hmeimim Air Base (4 Iran Air flights, 4 Ilyushin Il-76 planes from Syria's Brigade 29.) These planes transported weapons to depots in Latakia and Qutayfa.

'The Russian mechanism can still allow you to operate without risking Israeli retaliation. But supporting Iran & Hezbollah will force us to act severely. Any unmonitored activity bypassing Russian oversight will be seen as a direct threat to Israel and will provoke a response.'

July 14, 2023: the dude reiterated his intolerance for Syrian military cooperation with Iran and Hezbollah:"Supporting Hezbollah’s air defense capabilities is an act against Israel. This only serves Hezbollah’s interests, while causing harm to your military."

My Pak friend told me something similar about the deals with Russia and Israel. Like you said it's very deep.

 

[hyperman]

My Pak friend told me something similar about the deals with Russia and Israel. Like you said it's very deep.

Oh no, this is not Russia, this is communication between Israel and the Regime. lol, the document just says Russia mediated and brought them together to negotiate, and limit Iran's role in Syria, as well as limit Palestinian militias in Syria, mentioned in the document by "Moses"(codename for the Mossad Agent who was communicating with the SAA defense officials).