Syrian Civil War and The future of Syria after liberation

[UKBengali]

I agree. But Pepe is primarily just looking at the surface level stuff and also speaking from frustration about Syria. There are a lot of massive movements happening today and they are not going to be reversed because of what happened in Syria. But again, they will transpire in more clarity in the years to come.

Most people do not have the education or intelligence to understand how China is probably going to destroy the western order first half of this century.

Some here think it may not happen this century as if China will by mid century becomes maybe the most technologically advanced country on Earth and still the west is dominant. Inferior technology countries do not get to call the shots.

Its all about technological, militarily and economic power.

China already influences the global economy more than the US and the gap is growing larger with every passing year.

The technological parity and maybe dominance is not that far away either.

 

[r3alist]

I agree. But Pepe is primarily just looking at the surface level stuff and also speaking from frustration about Syria. There are a lot of massive movements happening today and they are not going to be reversed because of what happened in Syria. But again, they will transpire in more clarity in the years to come.

Well.....


Ok


I don't know of these big things , what they are


And exactly whose benefit these are for


Maybe too much Chinese cheer leading going on, if china does really push ahead of us, let's imagine, no guarantee how they change with Muslim world, after all if Muslim world is weak then they can be exploited

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

I believe that a strong non-violent campaign by a Nelson Mandela like leader would have achieved more for Palestinians, especially in this day and age of enormous and cheap publicity. Cataloguing and broadcasting the suffering of Palestinians would have the same effect as what happened to Apartheid South Africa. Looking at all the unintended consequences - Syria meltdown, Hamas, Hezbollah threadbare, Iran weakened, Gaza nearly pulverized, can anyone say October 7th was smart tactic? Even a Camp David 2000 would have given a stronger negotiating foothold.

So take what the tyrant gives?

They deny you food... you go on hunger strike instead?

Seek mercy of the tyrant. Willingly give yours for slaughter? To assuage the bloodlust of chosen?

 

[tower9]

Most people do not have the education or intelligence to understand how China is probably going to destroy the western order first half of this century.

Some here think it may not happen this century as if China will by mid century becomes maybe the technologically advanced country on Earth and still the west is dominant. Inferior technology countries do not get to call the shots.

Its all about technological, militarily and economic power.

China already influences the global economy more than the US and the gap is growing larger with every passing year.

The technological parity and maybe dominance is not that far away either.

The west dominated the world through economic, technological and military superiority. Those are the fundamental levers of power. And military power is really just a result of the first two.

 

[hyperman]

That is your opinion whereas the other poster presented facts.

No we cannot take "cheering" crowds as evidence of support for the rebels.

No its facts. Facts people don't want to acknowledge it, but deep down you know for yourself what I'm saying is true, but it doesn't favor your argument so you look past that single element.

 

[Foinikas]

Look,what happened to Syria? Everybody was playing everybody.

-The Turks backstabbed Syria and Putin
-The Iranians were using Syria for their own goals
-The Syrians distrusted the Iranians
-The Americans backstabbed the Kurds
-The Israelis were using the Americans,Russians,Turks,rebels and part of the Syrians
-The Russians were taking advantage of the Syrians

After today's information that came out....it's like Game of Thrones there. It's like a soap opera.

Like I said earlier,it's like that quote from Dune:

"I see plans inside plans"

And now Bibi continues his never-ending war and Erdogan wants to be a Sultan,but doesn't know what to do with the chaos in the south and middle. He might as well say "We well take all of Northern Syria and Aleppo under our administration in order to protect the Syrian people".

Russians would say "We will protect the Alawites and Christians at the coast" and the Americans will bomb Iraq because they're not good at geography.

 

[tower9]

Well.....


Ok


I don't know of these big things , what they are


And exactly whose benefit these are for


Maybe too much Chinese cheer leading going on, if china does really push ahead of us, let's imagine, no guarantee how they change with Muslim world, after all if Muslim world is weak then they can be exploited

Financial technological and military power, those are the fundamental levers of power. China excelling in these core fields provides the global south options that they otherwise will not have had and reduces their reliance on the west. We have already seen the world shift dramatically in just the last ten years and China is really just starting to pull ahead technologically. It is already the world’s largest trading country and largest lender.

This doesn’t happen in one day but the shifts have already been dramatic and will continue.

 

[Ghostkiller]

I started trolling? I didn't troll you, I saw you with a different nickname,thought you were banned because of your behavior yesterday.

My "agenda"? Oh we got another one of those "you may fool others but I know what you are". Here we go again!



Habibi,it's not that I'm "ignorant about the region",it's that what I'm saying doesn't fit your wahabbi narration.

Ya @Ghostkiller akhy,can I speak Arabic? This Saudi here says I can't even speak Arabic.

@_Arabia_ I can assure you that he is more arab than me hahaha. Someone who doesn't speak or understand arabic, will not write this. @Foinikas is an old forum member who discussed about the region's geopolitical situation with me/ @GoMig-21 /@The SC.
He understands it very well

I didn't follow your discussion with him but I can assure you that he doesn't hate us.

 

[UKBengali]

Well.....


Ok


I don't know of these big things , what they are


And exactly whose benefit these are for


Maybe too much Chinese cheer leading going on, if china does really push ahead of us, let's imagine, no guarantee how they change with Muslim world, after all if Muslim world is weak then they can be exploited

China is far ahead of any Muslim country in all areas of technology. Actually all Muslims countries combined.

Chinese rise will provide an alternative pole and they don't even need to be allied to Muslims for Muslims to benefit from their rise.

 

[hyperman]

Iran has a lot of work it needs to do to rebuild its reputation with the majority of the Syrian people. doubling down on your mistakes with Assad, is the wrong way to do it.

You still need a corridor to Lebanon, and you need to get rid of the reputation and find some sort of reconciliation not bitterness over you losing. If not for moral clarity but for real politik reasons.

Iran's foreign ministry already is moving towards that with the reopening of the embassy and talks at the surface level, I suggest their troll farm move in the same direction towards reconciliation, as hostility and bitterness over a loss, serves no one's interests. . lol

 

[UKBengali]

Look,what happened to Syria? Everybody was playing everybody.

-The Turks backstabbed Syria and Putin
-The Iranians were using Syria for their own goals
-The Syrians distrusted the Iranians
-The Americans backstabbed the Kurds
-The Israelis were using the Americans,Russians,Turks,rebels and part of the Syrians
-The Russians were taking advantage of the Syrians

After today's information that came out....it's like Game of Thrones there. It's like a soap opera.

Like I said earlier,it's like that quote from Dune:

"I see plans inside plans"

And now Bibi continues his never-ending war and Erdogan wants to be a Sultan,but doesn't know what to do with the chaos in the south and middle. He might as well say "We well take all of Northern Syria and Aleppo under our administration in order to protect the Syrian people".

Russians would say "We will protect the Alawites and Christians at the coast" and the Americans will bomb Iraq because they're not good at geography.

The only silver lining will be if Russia + Alawites hold onto the coast.

That would both protect the largest minority in Syria and potentially provide a backdoor to "dual use" shipments to Hezbollah - know I am hoping against all hope but stranger things have been known to happen!

 

[r3alist]

China is far ahead of any Muslim country in all areas of technology. Actually all Muslims countries combined.

Chinese rise will provide an alternative pole and they don't even need to be allied to Muslims for Muslims to benefit from their rise.

So alternative weapons source, maybe, of lower export tier


This is really not a given, i doubt they want to antagonise the Israelis
They admire them

 

[hyperman]

The Turks backstabbed Syria and Putin

When you mean Syrians, you mean the majority in power now? Or you mean Assad.

B/c I assure you Turkey never stabbed the Sunni Arabs of Syria in the back, some of you hoped Turkey would, that it would throw them back into Syria for the Butcher, but in the end it never did that.

As for Assad and Putin.

We were never friends. You misunderstand compartmentalized relations and diplomacy. Turkey is not hostile to Putin and in many respects it helps and works with Putin/Russia but there are diverging interests clearly. If anything Its Russia who thought too much of this relationship of Turkey as some "junior partner" whose core interests and concerns could be dismissed as if they were inconsequential.

In the end it backfired on Russia b/c if it had taken the issue of the PKK in Manbij seriosuly or the withdrawal of the PKK 30km of the border seriously, the issue of refugees returning home, Russia also didn't take seriously.

To iran's credit, Iran did take the Refugees returning issue seriously, and even encouraged Assad to compromise, but Assad refused, Why? b/c Russia Assad, No Assad bby you don't have to take them back if you don't want to, don't worry, I got your back and they both continued to bomb Idlib together on top of that, despite the astana agreement. And Assad being the dumb@$$ that he is was already looking to dump Iran didn't take Iran's or even Iraq's urgings seriously. So, in the end, what happened, happened. no need for sour grapes, when this issue was being repeatedly pressed bhy Turkey and ignored.

 

[EugeneP]

So take what the tyrant gives?

They deny you food... you go on hunger strike instead?

Seek mercy of the tyrant. Willingly give yours for slaughter? To assuage the bloodlust of chosen?

You have to live to fight another day. Doing things that will make you dead is not a good negotiating tactic. There have been numerous instances of weaker sides achieving justice in a fight with stronger adversary.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Bad feeling a confrontation between Israel and Turkey is on the horizon.

never going to happen

one is NATO member one is owner of USA