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[hyperman]

Aaah Osmanli Pasha doesn't like the idea of Syrian government allying with the Kurds,eeeh? Eeyy Osmanileeer

"the Kurds". lol

A "Nationalist" is supposed to care about the territorial integrity of a state, allying and propping up a separatist entity is the anthesis of that. Basic Logic.

Its like someone in Greece fighting other Greeks, decided, you know what, let me arms and prop up a Macedonian, Turkish and Albanian Militant separatist Militia to let them control several regions, and to fight other greeks that are my enemies. What could go wrong? lol

Don't make facetious remarks to score points Foiny, its hollow.

 

[MINUTEMAN]

While Muslims are dying in Gaza and the Zionist enemy is uniting for greater Israel, these stupid militias are busy attacking each other. I am no fan of Assad, but now is the not the time for inter sectarian fighting. I am truly disappointed if this is supported by erdogan and turkey.

Dude Islam has Allah the creator behind it, we dont need some puny mollahs which are of questionable faith.

 

[Foinikas]

"the Kurds". lol

A "Nationalist" is supposed to care about the territorial integrity of a state, allying and propping up a separatist entity is the anthesis of that. Basic Logic.

Its like someone in Greece fighting other Greeks, decided, you know what, let me arms and prop up a Macedonian, Turkish and Albanian Militant separatist Militia to let them control several regions, and to fight other greeks that are my enemies. What could go wrong? lol

Don't make facetious remarks to score points Foiny, its hollow.

Yeah yeah,Turk doesn't like government alliance with Kurds,what a surprise

It was a good move. They should have thought of allying with the Kurds 12 years ago. They should given them some autonomy and cooperated with them closely. Instead they were stuck on a stubborn policy of "Arab Republic" and no flexible diplomacy.

 

[hyperman]

Yeah yeah,Turk doesn't like government alliance with Kurds,what a surprise

It was a good move. They should have thought of allying with the Kurds 12 years ago. They should given them some autonomy and cooperated with them closely. Instead they were stuck on a stubborn policy of "Arab Republic" and no flexible diplomacy.

There is no "Alliance" here, he is fighting other Syrians where he would rather destroy Syria rather than lose power.

Anyways, I'm done with this constant trolling, you don't make arguments in good faith.

You would never back the equivalent inside Greece if for example Syriza decided to Do that, to win over Conservative Greeks in a war, and you know it.

 

[Foinikas]

Anyways, I'm done with this constant trolling, you don't make arguments in good faith.

Are you kidding?! Because you don't like my arguments,you think it's "trolling"?! Come on!

You would never back the equivalent inside Greece if for example Syriza decided to Do that, to win over Conservative Greeks in a war, and you know it.

It's been done before. EDES,a Republican-Monarchist resistance group had occasionally allied with ELAS,the Communist Party's resistance group during the Axis occupation. When your country is at war,you tend to forget political differences or just put them aside until the external enemy or bigger threat is kicked out.

 

[hyperman]

Are you kidding?! Because you don't like my arguments,you think it's "trolling"?! Come on!


It's been done before. EDES,a Republican-Monarchist resistance group had occasionally allied with ELAS,the Communist Party's resistance group during the Axis occupation. When your country is at war,you tend to forget political differences or just put them aside until the external enemy or bigger threat is kicked out.

This makes no sense Dummy, the ELAS are not separatists.

You created a strawman to sidestep the question or you didn't actually understand what I wrote. Read Separatist Ethno Nationalist Militias

"Macedonian, Turkish and Albanian Militant separatist Militia to let them control several regions"

 

[hyperman]

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Yup as expected. They are not going to let go of the PKK that easily. lol

 

[Foinikas]

This makes no sense Dummy, the ELAS are not separatists.

Oh but they were. The communists wanted to either rule Greece or establish a communist government in territories their controlled. Especially after WWII and during the civil war from 1946-1949,they were in favor of creating a communist State in northern Greece with the help of Slav "Macedonians" and Bulgarians. That was also one of Tito's plans,to unite Yugoslavia with Greek Macedonia.

 

[hyperman]

Oh but they were. The communists wanted to either rule Greece or establish a communist government in territories their controlled. Especially after WWII and during the civil war from 1946-1949,they were in favor of creating a communist State in northern Greece with the help of Slav "Macedonians" and Bulgarians. That was also one of Tito's plans,to unite Yugoslavia with Greek Macedonia.

They wanted all of Greece, just like the Conservative greeks want all of Greece.

Do you understand what seperatism means? lol

 

[Foinikas]

They wanted all of Greece, just like the Conservative greeks want all of Greece.

Do you understand what seperatism means? lol

Stop LOLing like a trolling flamebaiter. And read what I'm writing. Some of the plans included an independent socialist northern Greek State.

An article written by Nikos Zachariadis expressed the KKE's strategy after the envisioned victory of the Democratic Army of Greece regarding what was then known as the "Macedonian Issue": "The Macedonian people will acquire an independent, united state with a coequal position within the family of free peoples' republics within the Balkans, within the family of Peoples' Republics to which the Greek people will belong

You've been derailing the thread and then you'll start saying that it's me who "derails" the thread. You're a Turk,you don't like the Syrian government's plans to cooperate with the Kurds to fight the HTS or TFSA. That's all. You don't like it and you mock the Baathists because you consider them "fake nationalists". That's all.

 

[hyperman]

You don't like it and you mock the Baathists because you consider them "fake nationalists". That's all.

Not necessarily Baathist(although I don't like Baathists overall, but thats a different matter). But Assad and his sect. You know they did a coup inside the baathist govt right? The guy he overthrew to take power was also a Baathist.

You see they want to preserve their rule, and if they can't rule over, they themselves, many of them will call for seperatism, if they themselves are not in charge.

I've seen it on twitter, quite a few Alawite Assadists calling for a breakaway state in Latakia and Tartus under the protection of the two Russian bases, when only a few weeks back they were projecting themselves as "Syrian Nationalists".

See the difference?

Under this context, there is no issue with supporting another group that is also a threat to the territorial integrity, b/c thats your own backup plan anyways.

So Assad tactically supported them against other Syrian(syrians under the majority btw), b/c he saw them at the very least as a tactical tool. And if he was successful in destroying his main opponents, then he could think about taking out the separatists he created, and if he wasn't successful in taking out the other Syrians(majority), the separatist entity is still an ally in a power balancing scheme, whether in a stalemate freeze, or in a permanent breakage.

When you understand these axioms, you understand this conflict and his tactical play better.

 

[xbat]

US forces are deploying in ayn el arab, now understtod why BLINKEN visited Turkey

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[hyperman]

US forces are deploying in ayn el arab, now understtod why BLINKEN visited Turkey

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They don't have enough soldiers to man every front line and act as a barrier between Turkish forces and the PKK.

To deal with this, you go where they are not, in this case. Take Ain Issa and push towards Raqqa, and activate local arab groups to heavily protest and resist in all arab majority cities bordering the Syrian Opposition lands. Specifically Raqqa and in Deir Ez Zor along the euphrates.

This is why I said, Turkey needs/needed to move as quickly as possible, the more you wait, the more time you give them to plot schemes.

Leave Ain Al Arab for now, push Ain Issa, Maskanah and Al Thawrah.

 

[hyperman]

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[hyperman]

Southern Bank of the Euphrates, and Ain Issa, don't force the Issue in Ain Al Issa(Kobani)

Thats where they are most vulnerable.

It a good thing they launched the Manbij operation, as that prevented a deployment there, but it needed to be faster, and Turkey needed to play a larger more dedicated and aggressive role like in the Tal Abyad operation. The longer you wait, the more they plot.