Syrian Civil War and The future of Syria after liberation

[Foinikas]

Your response is nonsense literally

The narration that Europeans used Jews to colonize the Middle-East,because they were losing their colonies or whatever,that doesn't make sense and it's completely irrelevant to reality. The Jews wanted to found their own homeland. They did and since then they've been following their own policies. Israel hasn't given a chance to Western Europeans to colonize the Middle-East or Africa again. On the contrary,they haven't gotten back any of their former colonies. The French are being kicked out of Africa,the British reluctant to do anything other than socializing with their former colonies,the Dutch are nothing now,the Portuguese are nothing,the Germans only care about Europe,the Spaniards have have their own problems.

 

[Aziqbal]

Syria became a clear example of the destruction of a country by Israel and its proxies.

People who do not know their enemy will be destroyed.

Mount Heron is now fully occupied by Israel

They are now going to put a radar on it

Because that was Israel’s blind spot for the drones being fired from Iraq

Now they can literally see Damascus from top of mount Heron and intelligence and surveillance will cover flat lands of Syria and also the Belav valley

This is a disaster for the resistance and also Israel won’t be handing it back

Mount Heron was a great spot for attacks on Israel

 

[_Arabia_]

Hopefully the Syrians can come to a common ground and start rebuilding their war torn nation. There is really little other choice.

Regardless, historically, Syria was almost always incorporated into larger states and empires ever since the end of Umayaad Caliphate around year 750. In fact it was a Roman province for nearly 500 years before Muslim forces conqoured it in the 630s.

It was not a Roman province fully. The Roman Empire was ruled by several Arab emperors.

Even after Islam the Byzantine Empire was ruled by Arab emperors and dynasties also.



It was ruled by local Arab kingdoms and even empires as well and jointly.

Palmyrene empire

Palmyrene Empire - Wikipedia

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and the Arab Ghassanids that ruled it for 400 years.

Ghassanids - Wikipedia

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Arabs also ruled several kingdoms in Syria before the Roman Empire even was created.

Arabs/Semites are native to all of the Levant, the Europeans (Romans) were foreigners in comparison. This is why their rule and presence was only temporary.

 

[Foinikas]

Because that was Israel’s blind spot for the drones being fired from Iraq

So it does have a bigger strategic importance than just being a buffer zone.

Now they can literally see Damascus from top of mount Heron and intelligence and surveillance will cover flat lands of Syria and also the Belav valley

There was a rumor that they could do that even before,some Greek from Syria mentioned that in an old travel program once.

 

[Foinikas]

It was not a Roman province fully. The Roman Empire was ruled by several Arab emperors.

He meant before Arabs took over

 

[_Arabia_]

He meant before Arabs took over

Several Arab kingdoms long predate the foundation of the Roman Empire. In comparison Arabs and other Semitic peoples are native to the Levant. Everyone else is a foreigner and newcomer. The Romans, even when ruled by Arab emperors, were as foreign to the region as other later newcomers from crusaders to new arrivals like the Kurds and Armenians.

Kingdom of Osroene, Emesene Dynasty, Nabatean Kingdom, Kingdom of Qedar (9th century BC), Kingdom of Hatra and many others to mention a few others that predate the Roman presence.

In fact there are 3000 year old artifacts, written recordings (documents) etc. of Arabs in the Levant. In fact according to many historians, linguists etc. Arabs originated in Southern Levant/Northern Arabia and Western Mesopotamia. Which fits perfectly with historical, linguistic and ancestral (DNA) evidence.

So Syria/Levant is our homeland just like it is with other related native Semitic peoples. Far fore than it is of that of foreigners (Romans) who don't even exist anymore.

 

[Foinikas]

Several Arab kingdoms long predate the foundation of the Roman Empire. In comparison Arabs and other Semitic peoples are native to the Levant. Everyone else is a foreigner and newcomer. The Romans, even when ruled by Arab emperors, were as foreign to the region as other later newcomers from crusaders to new arrivals like the Kurds and Armenians.

Kingdom of Osroene, Emesene Dynasty, Nabatean Kingdom, Kingdom of Qedar (9th century BC), Kingdom of Hatra and many others to mention a few others that predate the Roman presence.

Of course. There's been most ancient presence there.

 

[EyelessInGaza]

A short list of things unlikely to happen in the region:

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I doubt that’s going to happen at all. The new Syria paying off Iranian loans is as likely as my selling a bridge in Brooklyn.

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Turkish Foreign Minister Fidan advises Khamenei to learn from the fall of Assad and talk to his opponents so that he does not suffer his fate.

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Yeah I doubt if Khamenei’s falling anytime soon, this gentlemen’s exhortations notwithstanding.

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And I doubt Israel’s vacating this ‘tourist destination’ anytime soon.

 

[_Arabia_]

As for Syria, other than the Golan Heights (which has de facto been ruled by Israel for 50 + years) they have not annexed any other Syrian territory. Those buffer zones are temporary as per their own claims. Whether this is something that can be trusted we will see but Syria (as a country regardless of factions) has no appetite or ability to fight Israel. Not under Al-Assad nor under the current OR FUTURE regimes. Therefore Israel is likely to leave those areas permanently.

This is done to strangle Hezbollah from the West (Syrian side) when they will try to give them a final death blow once Trump is in power. They want to finish off Hezbollah (as in them being a potential threat to Israel).

 

[Foinikas]

A short list of things unlikely to happen in the region:



I doubt that’s going to happen at all. The new Syria paying off Iranian loans is as likely as my selling a bridge in Brooklyn.




Yeah I doubt if Khamenei’s falling anytime soon, this gentlemen’s exhortations notwithstanding.



And I doubt Israel’s vacating this ‘tourist destination’ anytime soon.

All of these are funny,but Fidan actually telling Khameni to quit was hilarious.

 

[Foinikas]

has no appetite or ability to fight Israel. Not under Al-Assad nor under the current OR FUTURE regimes.

Look,let's be realistic...it would have been suicidal for Syria to attack them ever since the '80s. Especially after the 1982 fiasco in the Beqaa Valley,I think the Syrians knew it themselves too that they couldn't take on Israel alone. They only thing they could do is stay on the defensive and keep up the rhetoric,while making a stronger alliance with Iran and Russia. Which eventually proved inadequate to keep the country under the Syrian government's rule in the civil war,although for that I mostly blame Russia for not doing more.

 

[_Arabia_]

Look,let's be realistic...it would have been suicidal for Syria to attack them ever since the '80s. Especially after the 1982 fiasco in the Beqaa Valley,I think the Syrians knew it themselves too that they couldn't take on Israel alone. They only thing they could do is stay on the defensive and keep up the rhetoric,while making a stronger alliance with Iran and Russia. Which eventually proved inadequate to keep the country under the Syrian government's rule in the civil war,although for that I mostly blame Russia for not doing more.

I have always said that. Which is why I won't blame any Syrian faction for not doing it. Not the past regime, nor the current nor future ones. Besides nothing can be done against Israel before the region unites and make up a clear policy of action. Real diplomatic, economic etc. moves or in a worst case scenario, military. I only commented on this topic earlier because some users expected current Syria to fight Israel when they don't even control all of Syria and have no means to fight Israel successfully. So if those people want to further destroy Syria, this is a good tactic.

 

[Alter_Ego]

It was not a Roman province fully. The Roman Empire was ruled by several Arab emperors.

Even after Islam the Byzantine Empire was ruled by Arab emperors and dynasties also.

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It was ruled by local Arab kingdoms and even empires as well and jointly.

Palmyrene empire

Palmyrene Empire - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

and the Arab Ghassanids that ruled it for 400 years.

Ghassanids - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Arabs also ruled several kingdoms in Syria before the Roman Empire even was created.

Arabs/Semites are native to all of the Levant, the Europeans (Romans) were foreigners in comparison. This is why their rule and presence was only temporary.

Of course the Arab and Assyrian (Syriac) presence in present day Syria is several millenia old.

During Roman rule, there was shorter periods of full Syrian independence, forexample under Queen Zinober (arab Zinab, Zeynab, Zainab). Alas, Romans eventually subjugated independence movements. Ghassanids were also Roman clients.

Btw. There was also a Roman Emperor who was a arab from Syria: Philip The Arab.

In the Classical World; MENA and Southern Europe was heavily interlinked cultural sphere. Thats why forexample Europe uses the Phoenician alphabet and mosques resemble Roman buildings.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Syria became a clear example of the destruction of a country by Israel and its proxies.

People who do not know their enemy will be destroyed.

A perfect example of never let your guard down and trust no-one...

 

[_Arabia_]

Of course the Arab and Assyrian (Syriac) presence in present day Syria is several millenia old.

During Roman rule, there was shorter periods of full Syrian independence, forexample under Queen Zinober (arab Zinab, Zeynab, Zainab). Alas, Romans eventually subjugated independence movements. Ghassanids were also Roman clients.

Btw. There was also a Roman Emperor who was a arab from Syria: Philip The Arab.

In the Classical World; MENA and Southern Europe was heavily interlinked cultural sphere. Thats why forexample Europe uses the Phoenician alphabet and mosques resemble Roman buildings.

Correct. There were several Arab Roman emperors and even Popes. I was surprised to learn that the same was the case with Byzantine emperors. I never knew that until recently.

Ghassanids were independent, they just happened to be allied with the Romans on and off. In any case as the Romans were the predominant power you either allied with them or fought against them.

Actually even earlier human to human relations (Neolithic migrations to Europe) as an example.

Which is also why I earlier wrote that the West/Europeans are not leaving the Arab world anytime soon just due to history and geography alone. Forget everything else.

As for Syria, they really should unify the country (SDF) first before anything else occurs. Once that happens rebuild state institutions and eventually call for elections. This way we will figure out what the true aspirations of the Syrians are.

I think that the West, Arabs, Turkey etc. is ready to help rebuild Syria for sure as there are clear mutually beneficial reasons for that.

Russians are likely to be kicked out (don't think that HTS, whose strongholds were being bombed by them on a weekly basis) want them to stay. They are pretty much dislikes by regular Syrians as we saw during the videos when they were evacuating their soldiers from all across Syria.