Z-10 ME/P deliveries Updates: Pakistan Army Aviation.

[Yommie]

Star Safire ll FLIR on PAA Mi-17.

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Where is this EO sourced from? China?

 

[ghazi52]

 

[Yommie]

No,PA wanted a working one, so they sourced it from US.

Sourcing from China would make more sense. The US is not very reliable.

 

[Ak01]

Sourcing from China would make more sense. The US is not very reliable.

Theres a reason why the world uses Star Safire.

 

[Aamir Hussain]

Top of the line Star Safire ..... we used them on specially equipped C-130's to route out the Talibs. That is how the tide turned in our War on Terror in North and South Waziristan.

The acquisition, training, installation and its operations/use is a story right out of a Tom Clancy novel!!

 

[ghazi52]

 

[ghazi52]

 

[Yasser76]

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Photo could be from the 1960s seeing how old everything is.....

 

[Fatman17]

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Pakistan, Türkiye Reportedly Discuss Developing a Helicopter​

Pakistan Defence Industry by Bilal Khan

Bilal Khan​

Pakistan and Türkiye reportedly discussed the possibility of jointly designing and producing a helicopter.

The reports originated from multiple Turkish news outlets, which claimed that the proposal was discussed during the 8th Pak-Turk Industrial Fair Joint Working Group Meeting, which began this week at Pakistan’s National Aerospace Science and Technology Park (NASTP).

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The Pak-Turk Joint Working Group (JWG) is a semi-annual summit involving multiple top ministries as well as state-owned and private enterprises from both countries.

Additionally, Turkish media outlets reported that the potential sale of the KAAN to Pakistan, which is Türkiye’s next-generation fighter aircraft (NGFA), was also discussed.

Regarding the helicopter, it is currently not known if it would be a civil or military platform, but given that this iteration of the Pak-Turk JWG mostly involved defence contractors – including Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) – it would likely be the latter.

A Call Back to the T129 ATAK Program​

In 2018, Pakistan had ordered 30 T129 ATAK attack helicopters from TAI. However, the deal fell through due to the United States’ reluctance to approve re-export licenses for the ATAK’s LHTEC T800 turboshaft engines.

In 2020, it was widely believed that the Pakistan Army Aviation Corps (PAA) would acquire the Chinese Z-10ME in lieu of both the T129 and the Bell-Textron AH-1Z. The latter deal fell through because Washington refused to release the Foreign Military Support (FMS) money which Pakistan intended to use to finance the deal.

In 2021, the Head of Türkiye’s Presidency of the Defence Industry (SSB), Dr. Ismail Demir, stated that Pakistan gave a six-month extension (adding to a previous year-long agreement) for TAI to sort out an alternative arrangement.

Türkiye’s Indigenous Engine Opens New Possibilities​

One significant factor developed since the collapse of the T129 deal; the new emergence of Türkiye’s indigenous turboshaft engine, the Tusaş Engine Industries (TEI) TS1400.

Türkiye initiated the development of the TS1400 in 2017 with the aim of reducing its reliance on foreign turboshaft engines, particularly from the U.S. TEI estimated that the development of the TS1400 would take about eight years.

In 2020, TEI tested the TS1400’s core. In 2023, the TS1400 was successfully test-flown from a TAI T625 Gökbey utility helicopter, which was indigenously developed by TAI.

Since then, the TS1400 has undergone certification tests, with its latest one successfully occurring in June 2024 for the European Union Aviation Safety Agency’s (EASA) CS-E 740 endurance test requirements.

Through 15 consecutive six-hour endurance tests (meeting the CS-E 740 requirement), the TS1400 achieved a power rating of 1,740 shp (or 1,279 kW).

International certification of the TS1400 is expected to be completed by 2026, aligning with the eight-year roadmap TEI set for developing the engine.

It is possible that both sides are discussing a potential joint helicopter program centered on TEI’s TS1400, which could amount to one of several potential outcomes.

 

[Samurai]

"Türkiye initiated the development of the TS1400 in 2017 with the aim of reducing its reliance on foreign turboshaft engines, particularly from the U.S. TEI estimated that the development of the TS1400 would take about eight years."

That's about how much total time it takes to develop a modern turboshaft engine (not to mention the resources and skillset involved). Turkiye is far better in many things in comparison to Pakistan. So imagine how much time will it take for Pakistan in its current state to manufacture its own indigenous turboshaft engine from scratch?

Probably 10+ years - and by that time Indian Army will operate plenty of HAL LCH (Prachand). But I think Pakistan will go for shortcut and opt for ToT with Turkiye?

Below image of HAL LCH (Prachand)

 

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Pakistan, Türkiye Reportedly Discuss Developing a Helicopter​

Pakistan Defence Industry by Bilal Khan

Bilal Khan​

Pakistan and Türkiye reportedly discussed the possibility of jointly designing and producing a helicopter.

The reports originated from multiple Turkish news outlets, which claimed that the proposal was discussed during the 8th Pak-Turk Industrial Fair Joint Working Group Meeting, which began this week at Pakistan’s National Aerospace Science and Technology Park (NASTP).

Timely Defence News with Verified Insights​

Get the latest Pakistani defence news with reliable research and accurate forecasting
Click Here
The Pak-Turk Joint Working Group (JWG) is a semi-annual summit involving multiple top ministries as well as state-owned and private enterprises from both countries.

Additionally, Turkish media outlets reported that the potential sale of the KAAN to Pakistan, which is Türkiye’s next-generation fighter aircraft (NGFA), was also discussed.

Regarding the helicopter, it is currently not known if it would be a civil or military platform, but given that this iteration of the Pak-Turk JWG mostly involved defence contractors – including Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) – it would likely be the latter.

A Call Back to the T129 ATAK Program​

In 2018, Pakistan had ordered 30 T129 ATAK attack helicopters from TAI. However, the deal fell through due to the United States’ reluctance to approve re-export licenses for the ATAK’s LHTEC T800 turboshaft engines.

In 2020, it was widely believed that the Pakistan Army Aviation Corps (PAA) would acquire the Chinese Z-10ME in lieu of both the T129 and the Bell-Textron AH-1Z. The latter deal fell through because Washington refused to release the Foreign Military Support (FMS) money which Pakistan intended to use to finance the deal.

In 2021, the Head of Türkiye’s Presidency of the Defence Industry (SSB), Dr. Ismail Demir, stated that Pakistan gave a six-month extension (adding to a previous year-long agreement) for TAI to sort out an alternative arrangement.

Türkiye’s Indigenous Engine Opens New Possibilities​

One significant factor developed since the collapse of the T129 deal; the new emergence of Türkiye’s indigenous turboshaft engine, the Tusaş Engine Industries (TEI) TS1400.

Türkiye initiated the development of the TS1400 in 2017 with the aim of reducing its reliance on foreign turboshaft engines, particularly from the U.S. TEI estimated that the development of the TS1400 would take about eight years.

In 2020, TEI tested the TS1400’s core. In 2023, the TS1400 was successfully test-flown from a TAI T625 Gökbey utility helicopter, which was indigenously developed by TAI.

Since then, the TS1400 has undergone certification tests, with its latest one successfully occurring in June 2024 for the European Union Aviation Safety Agency’s (EASA) CS-E 740 endurance test requirements.

Through 15 consecutive six-hour endurance tests (meeting the CS-E 740 requirement), the TS1400 achieved a power rating of 1,740 shp (or 1,279 kW).

International certification of the TS1400 is expected to be completed by 2026, aligning with the eight-year roadmap TEI set for developing the engine.

It is possible that both sides are discussing a potential joint helicopter program centered on TEI’s TS1400, which could amount to one of several potential outcomes.

so Turkey can resume T629 an offer to PAK

 

[Fatman17]

so Turkey can resume T629 an offer to PAK

Very likely indeed

 

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Pakistan Army Aviation AS-550 Fennec helicopter .

 

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