American man reveals Indian CEO took over a firm, booted out founders, hired Indians. Post goes viral amid H1B visa debate

America's H1B protectionism is set to benefit India. Here's why

Indians seeking H1B work visas in the US may lose out on new opportunities, but in an economic sense, those very opportunities may shift to India like it did in the 1990s and 2000s.

by Madhavan Narayanan
Updated 31 Dec 2024 13:52 IST

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Officially, H1B visas are long-term non-immigrant permits for those engaged in speciality occupations that require high skills. (File photo) Photograph: (Reuters)

Anyone watching the ideological shootout within the American right wing as Donald Trump gets set to take charge for a second term in the White House should realise a simple truth: the United States is entering an era of all-round protectionism, spanning capital flows, consumer goods and labour.

Unless Trump does a careful balancing act or a U-turn, we are heading for a year of serious policy changes officially aimed at his "Make America Great Again" (MAGA) agenda but in effect challenging the business-as-usual style in which Silicon Valley has led a global surge in technology and innovation, helping US domination in the world economy.

But the inference from this would be more complex than it may appear at first sight.

As I see it, once the game gets down to details, Indians (and others from outside the US) seeking H1B work visas and better lifestyles in the US may lose out on new opportunities, but in an economic sense, those very opportunities may shift to India like it did in the 1990s and 2000s when "offshoring" became hot.

The difference is that this time, India is in an even better position to tap opportunities because the size of skilled and experienced knowledge professionals, infrastructure development, and communications bandwidth are far superior.

Officially, H1B visas are long-term non-immigrant permits for those engaged in speciality occupations that require high skills.

The year 2024 is ending in America with serious disagreements between the folks we call Trumpists. Technology billionaire Elon Musk officially supports the H1B visa as a vehicle to attract talent on merit, but has calibrated his position to seek "reform" in the system after a backlash post that says the H1B programme is only aimed at recruiting technology and financial service professionals at "relatively low wages" and not to draw "top talent."

That should not make sense on close examination.

Better work that produces better results attracts better wages -- and quibbling over what is "top talent" is a difficult game to play where employers are ordinarily the best judges of what talent is. But the pushback Musk is facing is symptomatic of the protectionism in which an "America first" policy for local citizens (Read: mostly white, less competitive technology workers) are expected to get priority.

Former Trump White House strategist Steve Bannon wants an outright scrapping of H1B visas and has even issued a warning to Vivek Ramaswamy and Musk, the co-chiefs of Trump's DOGE (Department of Government Efficiency).

To leave little to doubt on the kind of hate that is going around against Indians, there is a viral video of far-right commentator Stew Peters and comedian Leonarda Jonie spewing venomous racism against Indian immigrants.

With that kind of atmosphere, H1B may be a difficult thing to sustain and even more difficult to grow. Trump is certainly in a bind.

Musk wants to raise the minimum salary for H1B visa approvals but that is hardly of relevance beyond a point. Last year, as much as 69% of those gaining from H1B visas with a salary below $100,000 per year were Indians. The number of employees covered by H1B visas totalled less than 54,000 of which 65% were for "computer-related" operations.

Now, contrast that with some interesting data on global capability centres (GCC) of multinational companies functioning in or from India. According to industry association Nasscom, as many as 1,700 GCCs in India employed nearly 1.9 milllion people in the fiscal year ended March 2024, generating more than $64 billion in annual revenues. The government's economic survey for the year said as many as 42% of GCC employees were engaged in engineering, research and development. A study by consulting firm Zinnov noted that these included artificial intelligence and machine learning experts needed at the cutting edge of global business.

In plain English, India now has the scale, base and processes necessary to absorb all the H1B visa holders hired over the past decade, should that need arise. Some enhanced infrastructure facilities may be a clincher, but that is relatively easy in the current scenario.

It is a naive thought to imagine that businesses deploying capital would meekly accept the narrow-minded Trumpists who do not understand the larger dynamics in a world in which everything from cryptocurrency to robotics and genomics needs a solid technologically educated workforce. If not India, they may settle for other countries to deploy or hire talent. European countries are already waking up to the prospect of hiring talented Indians.

The irony is that in defending less than 100,000 jobs per year on a liberal count, the United States, which has a total of 168 million people in its civilian workforce, may be losing its grip on global technological leadership -- not to speak of small business growth aided by guest workers and rich immigrants.

Extreme-right Trumpists seem to be adept at cutting America's nose to spite its technological face. It is their choice.

P.S. On the downside of H1B returnees, Indians may have to worry more about narrow local roads choked with outsized Audis, Jaguars and BMWs, unless the government puts new-age cities on a fast-track model.

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I didn't realise anyone was being picked

Though it's sad indeed to see your identity in terms of worth to others, not ......your own actual society


Btw, this debate is happening with non Pakistanis, in the USA, it's bizzare to need to drag Pakistanis in, creepy in fact


That's why it's a topic, because it's news

If news is cope, then this forum could be a cope forum, that you post on.
Coping is coping, whether on Twitter or pdf. The debate you are so eager to discuss here is nothing more than coping, repetitive, and as old as immigration to America itself. Every newcomer climbing up the american ladder, and as a result pissing off his neighbors by moving into their rich former white only neighborhoods, has faced it. Nothing new.

But America is still America, the land of capitalism. If your skills can now be picked up by someone willing to work for less, you’ve got two options—step up your game or learn a skill set that’s harder to replicate.

And sure, you can rant about nepotism or gatekeeping all you want on Twitter, or pdf, but that won’t change anything. Focus on what’s within your control—your skills. And if you think better laws could give you or the dear Americans a better fighting chance, go ahead and nudge your policymakers. I'm sure the Indians around the world are doing the same;) Or cope. But piggy riding white racism won't get you anywhere.
 
Happy new year guys, may your 2025 be full of cope and seethe as well! ☺️

 
Hoping they reduce the H1B visa so more development centers open in India.
 
This should be the final word on all the speculation about H1Bs and whatever.... MAGA subtards can cry all they want.




Reporter: Why did you change your mind on H1B visas?

Trump: I didn’t change my mind. I always felt we have to have the most competent people in our country. We need competent people. We need smart people coming into our country. We need a lot of people coming in. We’re going to have jobs like we’ve never had before
 
Out of 582 billion-dollars startups founded in America, 66 were founded or co-founded by Indian Americans. Thats the highest of any diaspora in USA :cool:💪. Others are Israel (54), UK (27), Canada (22), China (21), France (18), Germany (15), Russia (11), Ukraine (10), and Iran (8).

Indians are merely 1.3% of US population and are already founding 11% of unicorns in USA creating way more jobs than any other ethnicity does.

Missing in this list are other south asian ethnicities 🤷‍♂️.

Source : National Foundation of American Policy report on Immigration and startups.
 
Except that image is in India not the US...the whole OP sounds fishy as no names were ever mentioned.


Also, CEO can't boot founder (assuming he have share/DI in the company) only board member can do it, CEO is an employee in the company, he/she took a salary, only people who have stake in the company can hire/fire anyone, let alone firing a founder of the company

Either the founder stepped down after he/she sold its share, or the CEO have the board fired the founder and buy him off, or the founder did not contribute to the financial flow of the company (ie didn't put 1 cents in) it usually is the other way around where the founder or board remove the CEO, not the other way around.
 
Also, CEO can't boot founder (assuming he have share/DI in the company) only board member can do it, CEO is an employee in the company, he/she took a salary, only people who have stake in the company can hire/fire anyone, let alone firing a founder of the company

Either the founder stepped down after he/she sold its share, or the CEO have the board fired the founder and buy him off, or the founder did not contribute to the financial flow of the company (ie didn't put 1 cents in) it usually is the other way around where the founder or board remove the CEO, not the other way around.
If a founder has sufficient shares for majority vote, board can not do shit.
 
There's more to the missing story. Often, founders have different classes of shares in the company they created, giving them relatively more power than the common class shares in a corporation structure.
 
'We need smart people in our country': Trump says he hasn't changed his mind on H1B visas

TOI World Desk / TIMESOFINDIA.COM / Jan 1, 2025, 11:33 IST

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US President-elect Donald Trump reaffirmed his stance on H-1B visas, emphasizing the need for competent and smart individuals in the country. He denied changing his opinion on the visas and highlighted their importance in bringing skilled workers to the US. Trump aligned with Elon Musk and commented on the necessity for visa holders amidst upcoming job growth.

US President-elect Donald Trump on Tuesday stated that he has not changed his stance on H-1B visas, stressing the need for skilled workers in the nation. He made these remarks at his Mar-a-Lago resort on New Year's Eve.

When questioned by a reporter about a perceived change in his stance on H-1B visas, Trump responded, "I didn't change my mind on H-1B visas.

I've always felt we have to have the most competent people in our country. We need smart people in our country. We need a lot of people coming in. We're going to have jobs like never before."

Immigration attorney Steven Brown reacted to Trump's stance on X.

“Interesting #H1B news, pleasantly surprised to see from DJT," Brown said.

The H-1B visa program allows highly skilled foreign workers to work in the US. The Biden administration recently announced plans to streamline the application process and address potential misuse by companies.

Trump's evolving views on H-1B

Trump’s past comments on the program, as reported by the Associated Press, described it as “unfair” to American workers and “very bad.” However, Trump reiterated his support for the program in a comment to the New York Post, saying, "`I've always liked the visas, I have always been in favor of the visas. That's why we have them."

This recent support aligns Trump with billionaire Elon Musk, who has also defended the program. Vivek Ramaswamy, a Trump supporter, has previously criticized the H-1B program, advocating for a system that prioritizes highly skilled individuals, promotes competition, and reduces bureaucracy.

Political analyst on Trump's support for H-1B visas

Trump's support for H-1B visas could create conflict with his base, according to political analyst Craig Agranoff.

He explained this tension to Newsweek. “His support for H1B visas might seem at odds with the broader 'America First' stance that resonates with much of his MAGA base," Agranoff said. "Many within that movement view these visas as competing with American workers for jobs, especially in tech sectors. His position could alienate some staunch supporters who feel strongly about prioritizing domestic labor."

Agranoff also noted Trump’s history of balancing populist rhetoric with pro-business policies.

“It’s also important to note that Trump has always balanced his populist rhetoric with policies that appeal to business interests," he said. "The H1B program is valued by many industries for bringing in skilled labor, and Trump may be trying to maintain support from the business community while framing his stance as pro-growth and beneficial to the U.S. economy. Whether this creates lasting friction with his base will depend on how effectively he communicates the economic benefits of H1B visas in a way that aligns with the MAGA vision.”

 
Out of 582 billion-dollars startups founded in America, 66 were founded or co-founded by Indian Americans. Thats the highest of any diaspora in USA :cool:💪. Others are Israel (54), UK (27), Canada (22), China (21), France (18), Germany (15), Russia (11), Ukraine (10), and Iran (8).

Indians are merely 1.3% of US population and are already founding 11% of unicorns in USA creating way more jobs than any other ethnicity does.

Missing in this list are other south asian ethnicities 🤷‍♂️.

Source : National Foundation of American Policy report on Immigration and startups.
That's benefit of cheap capital and talent based economy. India will take 10-15 years more to generate such expendable excess capital.
May NRI and OCI card holder bros keep pumping remittance in our tech sector.
 
The issue is in their DNA. Mass deportation is needed in the USA, Canada, Australia, and the UK
 
The US planing on opening a consulate in Bangalore is a game-changer for Indian tech workers—getting a visa will be so much easier now. It’s a smart move that’s only going to boost the Indian tech sector even more. Let’s be real: American capitalism only cares about capital, efficiency, and profit. If Indian IT sector delivers on that, they’re in—simple as that.

Honestly, it’s hilarious watching some Pakistanis in the West getting all riled up over this. Time to stop crying and start competing.
 

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