The Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict

[hyperman]

You still don't get what I'm saying. The Russians proved one more time unreliable to their allies.

Bro, you aren't getting what I'm saying. Pashinyan doesn't think Putin is unreliable, Pashinyan thinks Putin is a Snake.

There was a video of Lukashenko after the 2020 war where he is chatting with Aliyev where Lukashenko tells him, remember when we were talking before the 2020 war and we discussed Karabakh and i agreed with you that this matter can be settled militarily? Well we were right, and now its settled militarily.

There was even the secret weapons deal that sealed it.

The secret arms deal that cost Putin an ally

Leaked files reveal betrayal by Russia’s proxies provoked Armenia to quit a military alliance with Moscow, in a blow to Vladimir Putin.

www.politico.eu

that video got a significant reaction out of Pashinyan. where he said he will never set foot in Belarus while Lukashenko is still president, then met with Belarussian dissidents.

Here just watch the tense back and forth the two had very recently.

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Lukashenko is viewed in Armenia as essentially a Russian proxy. So if he is giving his opinion and outlook, the view is interpreted in Armenia that Putin is giving his outlook.

 

[Flotilla]

Syria has nothing to do with Armenia's current orientation.

Armenia had a velvet revolution and the old Pro Russian regime fell.

Initially the new govt tried to maintain good ties with Russia while distancing and trying to join europe, but after the war, they are now in the process of removing Russia completely.

Excuse me, but that is not true.

Armenia like Syria has suffered the destabilization pressure of Turkey that helped actively to Azerbaiyán and Rebels respectively to reach differents goals (territories and government overthrough).

Don't try to hide Erdogan's agenda.

 

[Foinikas]

Pashinyan doesn't think Putin is unreliable, Pashinyan thinks Putin is a Snake.

Truth is Pashinyan IS the snake. Both incompetent AND a traitor. Putin is unreliable as an ally.

 

[hyperman]

Excuse me, but that is not true.

What part is not true? lol

Armenia had a velvet revolution and the old Pro Russian regime fell.

2018 Armenian Revolution - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The 2018 Armenian Revolution, most commonly known in Armenia as #MerzhirSerzhin (Armenian: #ՄերժիրՍերժին, meaning "#RejectSerzh"), was a series of anti-government protests in Armenia from April to May 2018 staged by various political and civil groups led by a member of the Armenian parliament — Nikol Pashinyan (head of the Civil Contract party). Protests and marches took place initially in response to Serzh Sargsyan's third consecutive term as the most powerful figure in the government of Armenia, later broadening against the ruling Republican Party, who were in power since 1999. Pashinyan declared it a Velvet Revolution (Թավշյա հեղափոխություն, T'avshya heghap'vokhut'yun).

 

[hyperman]

Truth is Pashinyan IS the snake. Both incompetent AND a traitor.

And the Pro Pashinyan Pro West people view the Old Regime as Russian traitors. Each side thinks the other is a "traitor".

 

[mulj]

Bringing americans in would be truly geniuos move, pissing of iran and russia at the same time is always good idea as neighbour and turks i suppose are not making happy dance about it.
It is sad that nation that gave so many great chess players has such a stupid political leadership.

 

[hyperman]

It is sad that nation that gave so many great chess players has such a stupid political leadership.

They have a fatalistic mindset of always in search of a new Daddy, First Ottomans were Daddies when they needed help against the Greeks, then they went to look for French Daddies, and Russian Daddies, during WW2 some of them flirted with German daddies, then went back to Soviet Daddies, and now back to French Daddies and trying to recruit American Daddies and also keeping contact for possible Daddyship with Iran.

They never act independently and sovereign, its always at the directions of some daddy, and then as we saw with French and Russian daddies, after they did what they daddies said to do regarding Turkey, their daddies abandoned them and left them to holding the bag against Turkey.

Who knows maybe one day they will have independent diplomatic relations with neighboring states in a balanced way, instead of a Daddy who tries to use them against another state.

 

[Foinikas]

And the Pro Pashinyan Pro West people view the Old Regime as Russian traitors. Each side thinks the other is a "traitor".

No,they just view them as the old,corrupt establishment. Pashinyan and his minister cabinet were both traitors and incompetent. Armenia's situation was bad anyway.

 

[drkrn86]

Nice point. I agree with you, but could the US save Armenia? I don't think Armenia would go against Iran, their only true supporter in the region right now. Turkey and Azerbaijan are already in the US camp and, in fact, much closer allies. Russia would be a tough player; right now, it's preoccupied with Ukraine, but what after that? Russia can easily punish Armenia, perhaps by simply allowing Azerbaijan and Turkey to do the dirty work.

USA would never save Armenia. They only want this fight to continue thereby keeping Turkey, Russia, and Iran occupied to some extent.
Armenia has already decided to cut off ties with Russia for the perceived betrayal. What can Russia do if Armenia allows an USA base. Nothing. Period. But, Armenia won't risk angering Iran their only supporter in this region.

 

[mulj]

They have a fatalistic mindset of always in search of a new Daddy, First Ottomans were Daddies when they needed help against the Greeks, then they went to look for French Daddies, and Russian Daddies, during WW2 some of them flirted with German daddies, then went back to Soviet Daddies, and now back to French Daddies and trying to recruit American Daddies and also keeping contact for possible Daddyship with Iran.

They never act independently and sovereign, its always at the directions of some daddy, and then as we saw with French and Russian daddies, after they did what they daddies said to do regarding Turkey, their daddies abandoned them and left them to holding the bag against Turkey.

Who knows maybe one day they will have independent diplomatic relations with neighboring states in a balanced way, instead of a Daddy who tries to use them against another state.

They do not have closer nation then turkish one, hope that they will realize it for their own benefit.

 

[drkrn86]

Aliyev has high approval rate after restoration of Azerbaijan’s territorial integrity.

So did Gaddafi, once.

 

[Foinikas]

They never act independently and sovereign, its always at the directions of some daddy, and then as we saw with French and Russian daddies, after they did what they daddies said to do regarding Turkey, their daddies abandoned them and left them to holding the bag against Turkey.

Let's see what you'd do if you were a tiny nation in the middle of 3 empires.

 

[Foinikas]

Aliyev has high approval rate after restoration of Azerbaijan’s territorial integrity.

Aliyev's reputation has sky-rocketed after the war,it's realistic. If I was Azeri I would be cheering for Aliyev too,despite the corruption and the scandals. It was a boost that propelled him to victorious president status,not just a guy who rules the country as his own.

 

[hyperman]

No,they just view them as the old,corrupt establishment. Pashinyan and his minister cabinet were both traitors and incompetent. Armenia's situation was bad anyway.

Brother I make it a point to read and investigate the general discourse are all the neighboring states of turkey and how things are discussed amongst them. With regards to the Pro Western Pro EU segment of Armenia, I frequent /r/armenia and follow many Pashinyan supporters on twitter. I assure you, in their mindset Serz and Robert Kocharyan are all Russian puppets who want to turn Armenia into a Russian state like the several ethnic republics in Russia or Belarus.

 

[hyperman]

What can Russia do if Armenia allows an USA base.

Through Whose airspace? lol

Turkish airspace? Georgian Airspace?

Are you guy familiar with the Geography of Armenia and where its located?

Nothing can reach Armenia from the West without the allowance by either Turkey or Georgia.

Abkhazia btw is currently controlled by Russia and the current govt in Georgia is Pro Russian and sanctioned by the US. And I doubt Turkey would allow for flights to Armenia to set up a base either. Its not viable.

Even in the unlikely possibility that they convince Georgia to allow airspace use, that would trigger the Russians to annex the entire Georgian coastline up to Batumi, like they did with Ukrainian operations, effectively closing the door literally.