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Foinikas
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I've no idea. He said...wait let me google translate it
"Greece is actively present in the region, a member of the United Nations Security Council, a strong member of the European Union, with particular interest due to the Christian populations in the region. As a reliable interlocutor of the Arab world, it will be present, so as to ensure peace and prosperity in the region."
I won't be offended if you laugh at this. It's ridiculous.
hyperman
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who said that? lol
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That's the problem with Greece. The country unfortunately faces a significant challenge with its political leadership. Your politicians seem disconnected from the true needs of the country, unclear about Greece's role in the region, and uncertain about the national identity that the Greek people embrace. Consequently, this lack of direction has led to a scattered approach with little to demonstrate for it.
In short, they don't know who the average Foinikas is and what he wants. You're neither here, nor there.
Foinikas
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They do too little,too late. Another problem,for example is in 2020 with the Rafale,the FDI HN and the mutual defence agreement,we had the chance to go full French when it comes to military equipment and and cooperation and have stronger ties with the French. They stopped and in 2023 they went full American only to turn back to France in late 2024.
While Turkey has a policy of "our interests first",Greece is trying to be on the "right side of history"....for some reason that means destroying ties with Russia,with Assad's Syria,trying to buy military equipment from Israel,while trying to have Europe make a common AA shield funded partly by the EU.
Turkey had outclassed us in diplomacy and influence in the entire East Mediterranean( except for when Erdogan had cut ties with everyone for some years,after offending their leaders and turning against them)and our guys have been going like "We're building strong alliances!".
Esbah,seriously,that's a line from the ND politicians the last few years. The "we've been building strong alliances" and "Greece has strong allies",they are lines they've been using. That's why most people laugh on defence sites at the comments section.
Dendias comes and says: "We're building an AA dome and missile walls in the Aegean!"
translate: We need to replace obsolete AA systems with just 2 billion euros and we're thinking of getting some anti-ship missile batteries.
It was never about beating Turkey. It was just about defending what's ours(which Erdogan has been claiming for years)and that's it. Now,after 10 years of wasting billions of euros and missing chances to develop our own systems and 10 years of an economic crisis,on one hand they say "We're making our homeland stronger!" and on the other "we don't have enough money,so we'll have to make do with what little we have".
Eh malaka,having Gerapetritis say things like "we are an important factor of stability in the Middle-East",everyone who is into defence stuff and geopolitics is laughing. Turkey will annex Lebanon in a bit (figuratively speaking) and our politicians dream of Greece having any political weight in the area as a neutral country,just like in the '90s and 2000s.
hyperman
INT'L MOD
Thats not what Greece is doing in Ukraine or its foreign policy, this is a bad reading of the situation.. lol
They didn't dump Russia for "the right side of history" they did it b/c they want US patronage as well as thinking Russia is dead essentially, to where it never rises to any stature of old and thus not really worth maintaining relations with, and instead that they will go with the stronger hand in the US, all out in hopes of Western Patronage. Essentially Greece feels it can get more benefit from the US and going all in there, rather than maintain any sort of relationship with Russia.
Greece is looking out for its own interests like every other country. The issue IMO, is that they are miscalculating, and basing their outlook on patronage either from France, US, EU, Israel, rather than self reliance.
If they cared about "right side of history" they would have done what Spain or Norway did in recognizing Palestine, but this would create tensions with Israel when they have shifted towards defense cooperation with Israel.
Foinikas
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Gerapetrit-Bey in the meeting with Jolan-Pasha apparently.
No,it's because our leaders think being on the side of the EU and USA is the right thing and that's where we should be. As if the Cold War is still going on. Not all leaders of course. But the current government is trying to look more like a very good and dependable ally.
Anyway,I'm here criticizing my own government,Esbah gets it,but you? Again with the "lol no" type of comments?
It's strange how a guy who uses sarcasm all the time,cannot detect sarcasm in the phrase "the right side of history" on my post.
So strange. In the end,many of the politicians are doing what's best for them and their popularity or get orders from the West. That's why people are pissed off here.
hyperman
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The cold war IS back, Post 90s, Pax Americana is dead.
Thats b/c there is no sarcasm in that comment, b/c the contrasting with Turkey and "our interests" first vs "the right side of history" phrasing makes it seem like you think Greece is putting its own interests aside to "do the right thing". Which is not the case, their outlook towards Russia and Ukraine is them "putting their own interests first", in this case they think that their interests are better served via American patronage in the atmosphere of a receding Russia. I happen to think thats an incorrect assessment by the current greek govt(and possibly you do as well), but neither is driven by "doing the right thing" or "right side of history".
I just think their thesis of Russia becoming irrelevant and should be dumped for scoring points with the US is incorrect. Greece is going all in on the US patronage, while Turkey is hedging, which i think is the correct play. IMO US policy is erratic in the current geopolitics, all that investment by Greece in that Patronage may not pay off long term for example if the US decides that it needs to focus more elsewhere(for example the pacific) rather than commit anything significant for Greece.
US foreign policy is becoming increasingly more and more transactional and a case of "what have you done for me lately" type of outlook. As that old saying from Kissenger goes. “It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal.”
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Foinikas
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Re mlk yeter... You can spot the sarcasm? To spell it out for you,the ND government keeps babbling about being on the right side of history. For the ND government the "right side of history" is Ukraine,not supporting Assad because of Russia and Iran and saying a gazillion times that Israel has the right to self-defence.
Do you get it now?
hyperman
INT'L MOD
But they did support Assad. They were never hostile towards him. It's only now they are pivoting and playing catchup.
Foinikas
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During the war,Greece didn't do anything to help the Syrian government. Of course we had our own problems back then,but there was no political will anyway.
hyperman
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Greece was one of the biggest advocates for Assad inside the EU, and a proponent of normalization with Assad.
The play was to normalize with Assad in hopes of using an alliance with him against Turkey. As well as the refugee matter.
The current visit is damage control to salvage that policy, as the Assad plan failed.
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