Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[Khansaheeb]

It's a shame on most Muslims and how munafique they have become. Their belief is as deep as one dollar

 

[Khansaheeb]

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This is what the US, the nuclear powered nation has fallen to in the 21st Century. No words can describe the sickening loss of moral values who believe they are civilised.

 

[The SC]

The perpetrator of the stabbing attack in Haifa is Yitro Shahin, a Druze from the city of Shefa-Amr who holds German citizenship.The operation resulted in the death of an Israeli and the injury of six others, three of whom were seriously injured.

Spoiler: Graphic

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[VCheng]

You think so? I would say the existence of the Jewish state and unconditional American support for the ethno-supremacist apartheid Jewish state is the cause of Palestinian suffering.

Of course you are free to express your views. This forum encourages everyone to do so, as @Musings and @Oscar will corrobrate.

No Such thing!

They didn't sign Abraham Accords because they hated Iran or Iranians. It meant they didn't regard much of Palestine and Palestinians... which they considered a hindrance in business and economic ties. The whole op was to forestall and insert themselves in future negotiations and decisions about their lives.

IT HAS NOTHING TO SO WITH IRAN!

Don't derail the thread with unsubstantiated innuendo that lives rent free in your mind!

Denial is more than a river in Egypt, of course.

Iran has everything to do with supporting its proxies in the region contributing to many current conflicts, including the one that is the topic of this thread. Of course Iran is totally free to do whatever it wishes to do in pursuit of its national interests, just as all other countires do the same as well.

Oh, and read the reply above too.

I never said you said that. I am saying their portrayal of Palestinians as pawns of Iran is because of their own cowardice. There is no such perception, this fake perception is to blame the Palestinians for their failures and deflect away.

Please clarify, since you seem to be providing what you think is a reason for the same perception that you call "fake" in your next sentence. Both cannot be true concurrently.

 

[Unknowntruth]

Please clarify, since you seem to be providing what you think is a reason for the same perception that you call "fake" in your next sentence. Both cannot be true concurrently.

How much clearer do you need it? I’m telling you their lies to try and make out Palestinians are Iranian pawns is to deflect from their cowardice. Iran is merely their scapegoat. They know Palestinian resistance only fight with the Zionist occupiers and do no bidding of Iran.

 

[VCheng]

How much clearer do you need it? I’m telling you their lies to try and make out Palestinians are Iranian pawns is to deflect from their cowardice. Iran is merely their scapegoat. They know Palestinian resistance only fight with the Zionist occupiers and do no bidding of Iran.

It is equally clear that calling out their cowardice as you see it will also not do anything to get the Palestinians any more help.

Call it whatever one wishes, the end result is a lack of wider support other than from Iran, and that alone is clearly not going to be enough.

And the pointless carnage will continue.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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nice interaction of Palestinian and Lebanese children in Lebanon

 

[Persian Gulf]

Israel threatens "unimaginable" consequences if Hamas doesn't accept Israel's new terms

'We have extracted a heavy price from our enemies since October 7, and when I say the next stages are unimaginable, I mean it'

Jewish Nazi Smotrich declares plan to cut off electricity and water to Gaza and return to holocaust in Gaza

'On Saturday evening, we decided not to allow aid into Gaza, and the next stage is to cut off electricity and water and return to fighting to advance Trump's plan.'

 

[Persian Gulf]

hostage families protest in the Israeli Knesset

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[Persian Gulf]

so the Gaza ceasefire is off?

if Arabs cant fight why don't they use non violent pressure like sanctions on Israel and the US like they did in 1973?

Hamas directly called out these Arab leaders yesterday

saying ok you can't intervene militarily, we don't ask you to, but are you so weak that you can't even make sure humanitarian aid reaches Gaza?

 

[Snake]

Of course you are free to express your views. This forum encourages everyone to do so, as @Musings and @Oscar will corrobrate.

You're mistaking opinion for fact. It is your opinion that the cause of Palestinian suffering is what you say it is, which you're entitled to. The facts say otherwise.

 

[Oscar]

You're mistaking opinion for fact. It is your opinion that the cause of Palestinian suffering is what you say it is, which you're entitled to. The facts say otherwise.

Do we have concrete evidence for the facts?
Either way?

Because at the end of it all - history even prior to Iranian influence points out to (which thoroughly justified through a moral argument) Palestinians making unrealistic demands which neither they, nor any Arab allies( whom they burnt many times via Arafat’s ego) were capable of supporting militarily nor was the west ready to bend over beyond its facade statements.

Now, Iran actively using its proxies for its own interests which may or may not align with that of Palestinians led directly to the situation in Gaza and provided a bloodthirsty hardline Israeli government all the excuse it needed to complete its ethnic cleansing.

West Bank Palestinians who were already living in hell but at least could work and make some living BECAUSE no one least of all the country you live in had the gall to help - now face worse conditions - watching as(ironically to your bravado) workers from India may be imported to work fields on Palestinian lands that at least they could be on prior to this even if it was under the painful watch of an occupying force.

Gaza is likely going to be left in ruins because Hamas (encouraged by Netenyahu who saw them as an frenemy situation to deny two state solutions) pulled off a stunt at the behest of its supporters outside of Gaza.

So a people who were already dying slowly but may have had some minute possibility of a solution based on the hollow strings of the Abraham accords now have no hope because one overseas sponsor decided it wants to stir the pot to sabotage the GCC outreach to Israel.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Denial is more than a river in Egypt, of course.

Iran has everything to do with supporting its proxies in the region contributing to many current conflicts, including the one that is the topic of this thread. Of course Iran is totally free to do whatever it wishes to do in pursuit of its national interests, just as all other countires do the same as well.

Denial? Or pure bial‽

Perhaps because of Hamas's own official claim...
But hey... live in Nial or Denial... no one is stopping you to live with a concoction you can reconcile with...

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Do we have concrete evidence for the facts?
Either way?

Because at the end of it all - history even prior to Iranian influence points out to (which thoroughly justified through a moral argument) Palestinians making unrealistic demands which neither they, nor any Arab allies( whom they burnt many times via Arafat’s ego) were capable of supporting militarily nor was the west ready to bend over beyond its facade statements.

Now, Iran actively using its proxies for its own interests which may or may not align with that of Palestinians led directly to the situation in Gaza and provided a bloodthirsty hardline Israeli government all the excuse it needed to complete its ethnic cleansing.

West Bank Palestinians who were already living in hell but at least could work and make some living BECAUSE no one least of all the country you live in had the gall to help - now face worse conditions - watching as(ironically to your bravado) workers from India may be imported to work fields on Palestinian lands that at least they could be on prior to this even if it was under the painful watch of an occupying force.

Gaza is likely going to be left in ruins because Hamas (encouraged by Netenyahu who saw them as an frenemy situation to deny two state solutions) pulled off a stunt at the behest of its supporters outside of Gaza.

So a people who were already dying slowly but may have had some minute possibility of a solution based on the hollow strings of the Abraham accords now have no hope because one overseas sponsor decided it wants to stir the pot to sabotage the GCC outreach to Israel.

So, might is right!
And I agree that at the end of the day zion was going to push it's way at it own discretion.

However, this only prolonged because they had reached the maximum output of military power and inability to force a change. To that end NO ONE has access nor ability to support Gaza in any single metric.
Abraham Accords are not meant to help Palestinians and way shape or form. They were designed to obviate Palestinian.
Miliekowsky stood at the UN with the new map and trade corridor, IMEC. Earlier that summer they had already passed regulations to develop gas deposits off of Gaza ...

This was goong down... with or without resistance...

 

[Persian Gulf]

Gaza is likely going to be left in ruins because Hamas (encouraged by Netenyahu who saw them as an frenemy situation to deny two state solutions) pulled off a stunt at the behest of its supporters outside of Gaza.

there is no evidence that Hamas acted on instructions of anyone else. this operation was planned for years and only a few very senior commanders within Hamas knew about it until the day itself.

Israelis want to portray the Palestinian resistance as being controlled by Iran, and it is sad that many Sunni Muslims still fall for these games.

Palestinians have autonomy and make their own decisions. just ask the Palestinians on this forum if they agree that Hamas is merely a pawn of Iran. They certainly weren't a pawn of Iran when they opposed Assad and broke off ties with Iran.