Attack on Jaffer Express

[RealNapster]

India commits brutal atrocities to control Kashmir, from mass rapes to killing lakhs of Kashmiris to arresting them for not cheering for the Indian cricket team. And this is all in a foreign territory India has no right to interfere in , while Balochistan is legally an internationally recognized part of Pakistan.

Based on your explanation, IOK is basically a war zone where everyday deaths of civilians, rapes, arrests are common by the hand of 700 thousand troops.

A war zone should be more insecure, more politically and economically instable. How is it that IOK (a battlefield as per your description) do not offers such regular news but Baluchistan (which is not a war zone as per your description) faces terrorist attacks and deaths every week ?

To solve any problem, you first need to realize it's existence.

 

[That_Guy]

Terrorism is often misunderstood. Terrorism as a concept finds fertile ground in a vacuum of political, economic and social stability.

Correct.

Terrorism is inherently a political problem.

While terror attacks are a failure of security agencies, the existence of terrorism is a failure of governance.

If Balochistan had been treated fairly from the beginning, I doubt the bla would be as strong as it is today, or even exist for that matter.

By all means, Balochistan should be the richest province in Pakistan due to the massive amount of resources, compared to population, it should have the highest gdp and gdp per-capita, but failure of governance has led to it being the poorest.

The first thing Pakistan should have done was invest heavily in Balochistan's education system, jobs sectors, and enact social reforms to get their tribal mentality to die out.

Yet, here we are.

Another APS like attack, where dozens are dead.

It seems like a long time ago when balochistan was finally recovering, and terrorism was down because Pakistan finally had decent governance, but it was only a few years back.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

DG ISPR has said: rules of engagement has changed. Let's see what it implies.....

One example from Turkey. In 1998 the Turkish government issued an ultimatum to Syria for harboring PKK leader, Ocalan. And, the Turkish 3rd Army started mobilization toward the Syrian borders. It worked. Ocalan was handed over to Turkey via 3rd countries.....

 

[Oscar]

Correct.

Terrorism is inherently a political problem.

While terror attacks are a failure of security agencies, the existence of terrorism is a failure of governance.

If Balochistan had been treated fairly from the beginning, I doubt the bla would be as strong as it is today, or even exist for that matter.

By all means, Balochistan should be the richest province in Pakistan due to the massive amount of resources, compared to population, it should have the highest gdp and gdp per-capita, but failure of governance has led to it being the poorest.

The first thing Pakistan should have done was invest heavily in Balochistan's education system, jobs sectors, and enact social reforms to get their tribal mentality to die out.

Yet, here we are.

Another APS like attack, where dozens are dead.

It seems like a long time ago when balochistan was finally recovering, and terrorism was down because Pakistan finally had decent governance, but it was only a few years back.

Unfortunately - because there are vested interests everywhere. This was impossible to implement. Unless you have a strongman situation like Saddam up and down the leaderboard (current folks tried and still cannot pull it off because PA is not that unprofessional yet); you cannot have unified opinions and more importantly unbiased camps throughout different institutions including military establishment , bureaucracy, politicians etc. There are many elements that benefit from the underdeveloped nature of Balochistan who then cooperate as a unified body to serve their own individual interests and those of external parties.

 

[SaadH]

Only in Pakistan people always have a soft spot for those who kill other Pakistani's, there is no other nation where nation despite losing 100,000 people, thousands of security personnel, destroyed economy still giving justification for Terrorist Attacks, after 9-11 not a single American have this double thoughts about who their enemy is and they stood behind their Govt, American Army didn't kill innocent civilians ? they did, they have famous prisons like Abu Gharib and other CIA black sites, but does that change the mind of Americans ? To this day more than 60-70% Americans will support their Govt if they drop MOAB or other heavy munition killing top Terrorists even if it means killing innocent civilians, look at India and how their own nation rallied behind their Govt to almost end insurgency in Kashmir, but only in Pakistan... Baloch Terrorists time and time again attack civilians, based on Ethnic hate, attacking civilians, Chinese Engineers who are building infrastructure that will bring some sort of development to the State but yet majority of Baloch supports BLA, BRA and hide/shelter them, provide all kinds of intelligence to them, basically a Average Baloch is their eyes and ears against civilian attacks, not only that these people don't realize that these Attacks will only deter investors and Foreign development projects from Balochistan, I refuse to believe that these Baloch don't understand that such attacks are serving no purpose for Balochi people or Balochistan as state, same situation with KPK... maybe and I am skeptical that maybe once Pakistani Govt kick out Afghan the Afghan lovers Tits will calm down with that Pushtoonistan BS.

As for the Army, I am failed to understand that what is stopping them from launching a major operations in Balochistan, use the Freaking Drones you bought and parade in 23rd March , ya phir woh apni ammi ki barat mai urdane ke liye hai ? Just like they moved Civilians from Tribal Areas and moved them back, Balochistan have smaller population, move them in IDP camps move in the Army with Levies, used the Damn drones and Attack heli's, take out their leadership in Afghanistan, create a sense of fear in Baloch that you join BLA/BRA and you are dead... Yes its Brutal but Fear is only tactic these lunatics will understand, move Balochi kids kids into re-education camps, like America did with Japanese, educate them, create a sense of nationalism in them, force them to drop their Tribal BS barbaric customs, put a ban on Tribal customs or Jirga's whatever other BS they have in Balochi people, for as long their customs and culture don't change these violence attacks will keep happening.

Does this also include the jamedars who are by far the biggest killers of Pakistanis

 

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[arjunk]

Based on your explanation, IOK is basically a war zone where everyday deaths of civilians, rapes, arrests are common by the hand of 700 thousand troops.

A war zone should be more insecure, more politically and economically instable. How is it that IOK (a battlefield as per your description) do not offers such regular news but Baluchistan (which is not a war zone as per your description) faces terrorist attacks and deaths every week ?

To solve any problem, you first need to realize its existence.

Balochistan is more heavily armed, far larger area, far harsher terrain, far more autonomy for locals, far less brutality by governing forces.

100,000+ Kashmiris, almost all civilians, have been killed by India since the latest round of insurgency (excluding the jammu genocide of 200,000 Kashmiri Muslims) No such casualty toll has come from Balochistan.

Balochistan has been allowed to be governed by locals while IOK has been crushed by a foreign occupying army controlled directly from Delhi.

 

[That_Guy]

Unfortunately - because there are vested interests everywhere. This was impossible to implement. Unless you have a strongman situation like Saddam up and down the leaderboard (current folks tried and still cannot pull it off because PA is not that unprofessional yet); you cannot have unified opinions and more importantly unbiased camps throughout different institutions including military establishment , bureaucracy, politicians etc. There are many elements that benefit from the underdeveloped nature of Balochistan who then cooperate as a unified body to serve their own individual interests and those of external parties.

Some times I feel as if Pakistan needs it's own version of the French revolution. Bringing out the guillotine and using it to separate the heads of the elites and corrupt would do some good for Pakistan.

Alas, I don't think Pakistanis are willing to go down that route. It's too hierarchal of a society to realize they can do something about being virtually enslaved to the whims of the elite.

 

[arjunk]

Note that while IOK is on a surface level more stable, hatred for India in Kashmir far exceeds the hatred for Pakistan in Balochistan.

Indian presence in IOK is like Soviet/American presence in Afghanistan, held together only by brute military force - it’s not sustainable, and not a model Pakistan should follow.

 

[SaadH]

- Who will protect and maintain it?
- Where will the funding come from?
- Do you have the diplomatic muscle?
- What impact it will have on the international donors including IMF?
- Do you have the capacity to fight a guerrilla war on a much larger scale and intensity ?
- and above all what are your objectives that you want to achieve from the said buffer zone?

Just by dismantling ISI's porn production division, this can be funded And if they are really serious, withdrawing all the colonels from every police thana, tehshil, zila, TV station, social media monitoring cells assigned to suppress political activities and people's democratic rights, it would go a long way.

 

[SteppeWolff]

Note that while IOK is on a surface level more stable, hatred for India in Kashmir far exceeds the hatred for Pakistan in Balochistan.

True. Most Baloch by far are patriotic or consider themselves Pakistani to some degree. Atleast what I have seen from living there.

Can't say the same for Kashmiris. They dont belong in the Dalit Land I mean India.

 

[vasanthm]

Note that while IOK is on a surface level more stable, hatred for India in Kashmir far exceeds the hatred for Pakistan in Balochistan.

Indian presence in IOK is like Soviet/American presence in Afghanistan, held together only by brute military force - it’s not sustainable, and not a model Pakistan should follow.

Maybe focus on Balochistan crisis instead of obsessing over Kashmir.

Any tourist can freely visit Kashmir, it's a top travel destination for Indians. Can you say the same for Balochistan, where even a train ride isn’t safe?

In Kashmir, we have functioning government offices, panchayats, revenue departments, and public services like any other Indian state. Meanwhile, Balochistan is still dominated by a feudal Sardar system with little real governance.

Kashmir has widespread internet, telecom access, modern multiplex cinemas, and growing infrastructure. Can Balochistan claim the same?

India has managed to integrate Kashmir successfully with governance, development, and security. Pakistan, meanwhile, has a full blown insurgency in Balochistan that it can’t contain. Maybe that’s the bigger problem here.

Anyway, I doubt this post will last long, doesn’t fit the narrative mods prefer.

 

[r3alist]

Kashmir has widespread internet,

Except when it doesn't

Stupid post and you are in pink

 

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[Waterboy]

Correct.

Terrorism is inherently a political problem.

While terror attacks are a failure of security agencies, the existence of terrorism is a failure of governance.

If Balochistan had been treated fairly from the beginning, I doubt the bla would be as strong as it is today, or even exist for that matter.

By all means, Balochistan should be the richest province in Pakistan due to the massive amount of resources, compared to population, it should have the highest gdp and gdp per-capita, but failure of governance has led to it being the poorest.

The first thing Pakistan should have done was invest heavily in Balochistan's education system, jobs sectors, and enact social reforms to get their tribal mentality to die out.

Yet, here we are.

Another APS like attack, where dozens are dead.

It seems like a long time ago when balochistan was finally recovering, and terrorism was down because Pakistan finally had decent governance, but it was only a few years back.

I mean, they killed Punjabi professors and doctors, so good look bringing reforms to people who kill others on ethnic line.