Indian false flag and current Indo-Pak stand-off updates

[mythbuster]

it seems the indian population has reacted very strongly to this and is out for blood

but they should be guided by wisdom and patience rather than anger to avoid misdirecting that anger

Pakistan is like honey badger , it doesn't feel threatened by a pack hyaenas

 

[That_Guy]

This is more emotional than it is realistic.

Nothing will happen is just a statement I struggle to respond politely to

So do you mean nothing, as in zero will happen after today? surely not.

If you mean a minor skirmish will happen and that is the same as nothing that's also wrong....what if Pakistan loses? That has nothing consequences?

Did anyone of the previous incidents have any long term consequences?

That's a no, and previous incidents were far more severe.

My comment is based upon historical reality.

When I say "nothing will happen", I mean the usual cycle will occur until status quo ante bellum.

If you mean the ivt water flow won't be altered then that's a hope, a delusional hope, that someone who has a gun to your head won't pull the trigger, having the gun to your head I presume is nothing for you

It won't be altered, because thats how treaties work. If one side refuses alterations, the treaty remains the same.

Also, there is no gun to Pakistan's head.

India does not have the capacity to divert or stop the flow of water to Pakistan, it just doesn't have enough dams.

Where is this nothing

That is the nothing.

You need a counterparty to echo the same for peace

You obviously don't have it so why are you in lala land?

This is a nothing statement, and makes as much sense as astrology.

None of what you describe above has any possibility unless you want to just surrender and hope for the best, which it sounds like you might want to , as you don't like the idea of war and you have no counterparty for peace , what's left....

Again, this make no sense.

Your only two options seem to be war and more war, when in reality there are always other options.

Also, when did I say that Pakistan should surrender anything? That is a foolish thing to claim i said.

What im saying is that Pakistanis should consider the consequences of their actions before mouthing off about bombing dams and going to war.

It cannot be news to you the smaller country has an uphill struggle, how do you think it originally got made ......not by men thinking ohh no this seems a bit tough

Those same men didn't automatically resort to war either. Are you that foolish as to believe war is the only viable option?

 

[r3alist]

They haven't stopped the flow of the river, which is what I'm trying to tell everyone here.

If the flow is stopped, and diplomatic and legal efforts fail, THEN you can use military options, as per international law.

But we're nowhere near the point of having to use military options.

India has not stopped or diverted the flow of water, and they actually don't have the means to do so currently anyway.

In other words, India "suspending" the treaty will not affect Pakistan, unless India decides to spend over a $100 billion building enough large scale dams over the next 2 decades to actually cut off the water, which there is no indication they're doing currently.

It's like someone leaving a nuke suitcase in your major city ....but it's ok ....don't worry, only until the finger gets close to the button then and only then panic. Before that all good.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

india should not overreact

it is not worth risking a war over this unless you have clear proof Pakistan was somehow involved,

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Well, it's important to understand India's perspective as well.

India and Kashmir have gone through extremely difficult times in the past—we've suffered greatly. Our current focus is on development and improving the quality of life in Kashmir. And I’m not saying this blindly—anyone can search and verify the progress being made.

Terror attacks cannot be taken lightly or ignored. Doing so only opens the door for more such incidents in the future.

From a strategic standpoint, it's well known that these groups are primarily supported by Pakistan. No other country has even a minimal interest—militarily or financially—in backing them. If it becomes clear that a major attack could trigger a full-scale war, than their backers would be compelled to restrain them to avoid escalation.

The same clear message from Indian government wants to give.

And it's very successful - you will not see any new attack within next few days because such attacks in next coming, will force india to act... Moral of the story - you can't tolerate such attacks if you do, expect more attacks.....

 

[KingQamaR]

it seems the indian population has reacted very strongly to this and is out for blood

but they should be guided by wisdom and patience rather than anger to avoid misdirecting that anger

Dumb comment.

No point sucking up to Delhi they not your friends.

 

[Meengla]

Happened last time too, until Pakistan shot down a Mig and captured their pilot. Then they got a cold dose of reality thrown on their face, and then they started begging for his return for the "sake of humanity".
Pakistan just captured an Indian BSF, lets see if they calm down again.

Every word of this retired Indian Army General Mr. Panag is 'cold dose of reality' for the Indians to chew on. This should be a required video for all Indians and those who don't know India Pakistan rivalry. And it is in good English language. So a large nation of 1.4 billion, with an economy multiple times that of Pakistan, with a defense budge 10 times that of Pakistan still can't be sure about a military confrontation with Pakistan. THAT's a slap on the Indian strategic thinkers' faces and a big kudos to Pakistan!!

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[Lulldapull]

it seems the indian population has reacted very strongly to this and is out for blood

but they should be guided by wisdom and patience rather than anger to avoid misdirecting that anger

This is basically Zio behavior like saying Iran did 9/11 terror attacks. Same same!

And you know our economic/ political situation today so we have nothing to do with this.

They are trying to browbeat us with this false flag.

 

[Mobius]

LMFAO!!!!!

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[That_Guy]

When did lack of proof/evidence has stop someone from going to war?

What matters is that India has the pretext.

whether it has a pretext or not, Imdia cannot afford war.

There will be no war, because war is bad for business, and Modi is a business man who understands this.

The last time he tried something, Indian markets got spooked, and India lost a ton of investments.

He won't go to war, and become a war time PM.

 

[Mobius]

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[mythbuster]

There will be no war..not yet.

But Pakistani generals will be made aware that every terrorist attack they orchestrate in India will come at serious and escalating cost to their country.

India doesn't have the wherewithal to extract any cost from Pakistan , not even with the support of America if Americans choose to side with Indians

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

They haven't stopped the flow of the river, which is what I'm trying to tell everyone here.

If the flow is stopped, and diplomatic and legal efforts fail, THEN you can use military options, as per international law.

But we're nowhere near the point of having to use military options.

India has not stopped or diverted the flow of water, and they actually don't have the means to do so currently anyway.

In other words, India "suspending" the treaty will not affect Pakistan, unless India decides to spend over a $100 billion building enough large scale dams over the next 2 decades to actually cut off the water, which there is no indication they're doing currently.

I doubt anyone here said anything different. Till India actually start work on it to stop or divert water.

 

[SaadH]

Yaar our leadership is incompetent!........And more depressingly we lack legitimacy and heft at the highest levels.

Ayub Khan sahb ager hotay aaj, he'd a gone in India and beaten the living shit out of them.

Since hes been gone........we've lost leadership, development, respect and our confidence.

Ayub Khan also forever surrendered Kashmir to India under "Masters not friends" doctrine in his ode to his best friend Kennedy who afterall threw a ticker tape parade for him in New York and had him address Congress and personally came to see him off at the airport. With such high perks, who cares about lousy Kashmir. Only leader to have any balls was Quaid, followed by Zia and IK. All the rest were amreeki pithu and highly impressed to the level of worship of gori chamrri.

 

[r3alist]

This is more emotional than it is realistic.

Did anyone of the previous incidents have any long term consequences?

That's a no, and previous incidents were far more severe.

My comment is based upon historical reality.

When I say "nothing will happen", I mean the usual cycle will occur until status quo ante bellum.

It won't be altered, because thats how treaties work. If one side refuses alterations, the treaty remains the same.

Also, there is no gun to Pakistan's head.

India does not have the capacity to divert or stop the flow of water to Pakistan, it just doesn't have enough dams.

That is the nothing.

This is a nothing statement, and makes as much sense as astrology.

Again, this make no sense.

Your only two options seem to be war and more war, when in reality there are always other options.

Also, when did I say that Pakistan should surrender anything? That is a foolish thing to claim i said.

What im saying is that Pakistanis should consider the consequences of their actions before mouthing off about bombing dams and going to war.

Those same men didn't automatically resort to war either. Are you that foolish as to believe war is the only viable option?

I am not advocating war

I am advocating the preparedness for war and other hostile actions

If you keep saying nothing will happen you therefore downgrade the seriousness and psychological preparedness

Over the other side....it's genocidal rage. Think tank here is saying it's all nothing, stop war talk, those guys are much stronger, they can threaten, let's not...

So what exactly are the other non war or confrontation options, please genuinely explain, I genuinely do not see them.....

 

[Persian Gulf]

Perhaps you don't know enough about India Pakistan politics/history like I don't know much about Iran-Azerbaijan relations. This is either rogue fighters in Indian Occupied Kashmir or a False Flag, which India, along with its buddy Israel, are masters of. But as of now, not a single country other than India itself has blamed Pakistan. J. D Vance, with his Indian wife was in India when this happened and he did the usual token sympathy--which Pakistan has also done -- but he didn't blame Pakistan and neither does the Trump administration. Oh, but, yes, Netanyahu blamed it on 'Islamic' terrorism.

BTW, you might want to pay attention to India and Pakistan growing confrontation because the India reaction suggests it might be more than just India and Pakistan and even the Iran maybe a factor. Pakistan forms a relatively stable, peaceful border with Iran and putting Pakistan in hot water in the geopolitical game wouldn't help Iran either.

dude I said there is no evidence Pakistan was involved and you reply with this lol

some of you need to be less emotional before replying with such outbursts