Indian false flag and current Indo-Pak stand-off updates

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hydrabadi_arab said:
Its Pakistan water under international law. Only thing treaty did was divide share of rivers. And allowed India to build dams. Based on basin land area each country got, end result is 79-21% in Pakistan favour.

India can shove IWT in Modi ass as long as Pakistan share of water isn't stopped or diverted.
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Your entitlement will soon be at an end.
We have stopped playing nice with you.
 
maverick said:
enough of BS indian chawtaunis, where is the action? cowards running away ?
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Now on the Najm Sethi show there is a new threat by IN chief. Lets impose a naval blockade on Karachi........lol

I just saw it on youtube......
 
SaadH said:
Nah bhaee, relations took a U turn when the ayatollahs decided to export their revolution into Pakistan and openly sided with India...
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What? aur hum sunni log aik dum say shia bun jaatay?.........lol

Tell him da truth here..........we were on US aid and free weapons garaby train no? Getting billions of dollars worth of supplies Eff-Sola and what not.
 
Lulldapull said:
All of em after Ayub have been total fails!

They have destroyed our country and society.
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Yes.
It maybe off topic but Ayub Khan was the greatest Pakistani leader! And it is indeed been downhill since fall, especially with the Proto Taliban Zia ul Haq introducing 'Islam' in Pakistan.
 
Meengla said:
Yes.
It maybe off topic but Ayub Khan was the greatest Pakistani leader! And it is indeed been downhill since fall, especially with the Proto Taliban Zia ul Haq introducing 'Islam' in Pakistan.
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Zios killed Kennedy and the same Zios got rid of Ayub too and replaced him with that pseudo crypto socialist Bhutto corrupt which led to the loss of E-Pak and then one mofo after the other. Kissinger they brought in too........it was our death sentence right there.
 
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Jaeger said:
Pakistan got Indus Water Treat due to Indian magnanimity.
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Every robber and thief has some 'rationale' for theft and even murder: 'Hey, I was too hungry'. 'Hey, I was born in poverty'. 'Hey, the world is not fair'. ..
You signed on the dotted lines when you signed the IWT when the conditions were different in your country. You were not as over populated as now. And you had to fight with Pakistan over the water before 1960. It took 9 years to conclude the Treaty and millions of Pakistanis too resent the Treaty. But you had to do something and it was not some 'magnanimity'. The rivers' natural flows was to Pakistan anyway. But now your country is too populated, too resource starved, with too much socio-economic pressures, your own 'rationale' is 'magnanimity'. Bah!
 
Meengla said:
Every robber and thief has some 'rationale' for theft and even murder: 'Hey, I was too hungry'. 'Hey, I was born in poverty'. 'Hey, the world is not fair'. ..
You signed on the dotted lines when you signed the IWT when the conditions were different in your country. You were not as over populated as now. And you had to fight with Pakistan over the water before 1960. It took 9 years to conclude the Treaty and millions of Pakistanis too resent the Treaty. But you had to do something and it was not some 'magnanimity'. The rivers' natural flows was to Pakistan anyway. But now your country is too populated, too resource starved, with too much socio-economic pressures, your own 'rationale' is 'magnanimity'. Bah!
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The only reason we signed the Indus Water Treaty was to allay Pakistan's fears that we want to destroy their country by stopping their water.

We had no obligation to sign the treaty. It was purely magnanous gesture by Pandit Nehru and company.

They were off the opinion that once Pakistan's fear of being starved out of existence were allayed. Pakistan will not feel the need to go to war over Kashmir and the two neighbors could co-exist peacefully.

1955 to 1965 was the the worst decade for India, with constant faminies, failure consecutive 5 year plans, constant food shortages and two wars being imposed on us.

We did not wish that kind of starvation on any one else even on a country that considered us their enemy.

Instead of being greatful, Pakistanis developed a sense of entitlement over the treaty and Ironically launched all its wars against India after signing of the treaty.
 
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mythbuster said:
Who is the international community ? America?........ diplomatically, Pakistan is in a far more comfortable spot right now than it was during the last few decades......no one is going to ask Pakistan for any concessions.
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Reportedly, it was UK to convince Bajwa to return Indian pilot Abhi to give Modi a chance to claim that the pilot was released due to his pressure. Then another country asked for allowing India to fire one or two missiles at Pakistan the next night to give him a face saving.

In today's world, every country must live like a member of a community. At a critical time for any country, other countries come in with an offer to help or a demand with for playing its role in behind the scene negotiations. It depends on country’s leadership how to optimally handle all these diverse pressures. That's why the strength of the leadership’s nerves really matters.

While it's true that Pakistan is diplomatically well position in the last 5 or 6 years, but still pressures are too strong that a really solid nerves can handle it.
 
gamaji said:
Reportedly, it was UK to convince Bajwa to return Indian pilot Abhi to give Modi a chance to claim that the pilot was released due to his pressure. Then another country asked for allowing India to fire one or two missiles at Pakistan the next night to give him a face saving.

In today's world, every country must live like a member of a community. At a critical time for any country, other countries come in with an offer to help or a demand with for playing its role in behind the scene negotiations. It depends on country’s leadership how to optimally handle all these diverse pressures. That's why the strength of the leadership’s nerves really matters.

While it's true that Pakistan is diplomatically well position in the last 5 or 6 years, but still pressures are too strong that a really solid nerves can handle it.
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Well, first it was said that due to ndia was ready to launch missiles, then it was supposedly due to Saudi Arabia, then the USA, and now the UK... Great going! Can't wait to see which name gets added to the list next
 
Jaeger said:
Perhaps you are not aware but cost is already being exacted.

Pakistan got Indus Water Treat due to Indian magnanimity.

It was the only treaty of its kind in the world between two adversarial nations, where an upper rippaerean nation voluntarily gave away 80 percent of water to a lower rippaerean nation, to which it has no obligations too.

India never broke or withdrew from the treaty even when Pakistani launched wars against India.

That has come to an end!
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Nonsense. There was no Indian 'magnanimity' and such claims show your arrogance and stupidity. The Indus does not flow by your permission. It has and will continue to sustain our civilization till the end of time, by the Magnanimity and Grace of God Almighty alone.

In retrospect, it was the Pakistani negotiators who showed great flexibility to IWT in their approach and made decisions based on the moral imperative of water being a human right. For example, despite being under no obligation or legal precedent, they allowed India to take 3.6 MAF water for local use within Kashmir, as they believed it necessary for the future water security of the people of Kashmir. They also conceded the eastern rivers despite there being little to no land under cultivation in Rajasthan back then, with the understanding that Pakistan would then build Tarbela Dam to ensure the continued supply of water to Bahawalpur/South Punjab, which historically had already been under cultivation since time immemorial, and was the most affected by reduction of water in Sutlej. These concessions from Pak are the only reason why IWT has stood the test of time. Not any supposed Indian magnanimity.

But our negotiators back in the 50s did not foresee that India would instead subvert the 3.6 MAF provision to plan almost 60 dams, not for the benefit or water security of local Kashmiris, but as a tactic of coercion against Pakistan. In fact, even before Modi suspended IWT, practically India has been violating every aspect of it both in letter and spirit, utilizing much more than the stipulated 3.6 MAF, and delaying water release during Rabi sowing season, whenever technically possible.

PS: it is laughable that you folks still call yourselves "Indians", while having zero affinity or association with the Indus beyond using it as a tool of coercion. Jinnah told you not to use this name for your own good. But I personally don't mind. Because this identity only reinforces the fact that you were culturally, militarily and economically dominated by the people of the Indus Valley for close to a millennium, during what is universally accepted as the golden age of India. Of course you Sanghis are now trying to re-write your history because this idea is intolerable to you. But the fact is your language, your arts, your architectural symbols - everything you put on those colorful marketing posters for "Shining India" - in short the whole syncretic culture - is a product of what the people of the Indus contributed to the subcontinent. The Indus is not a tap. It's the life blood of an idea. That is what it really means to be "Indian".
 
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Raj-Hindustani said:
Well, first it was said that due to ndia was ready to launch missiles, then it was supposedly due to Saudi Arabia, then the USA, and now the UK... Great going! Can't wait to see which name gets added to the list next
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Regardless which country played a role in getting the pilot released, why Modi failed his nation by not firing the missiles at Pakistan? He dropped a few bombs in a deserted area in Pakistan (claiming a to punish Pakistan for alleged Pulwama attach) but then got a bloody nose. It's utterly disgraceful. Did he repent from punishing Pakistan? Apparently yes.

Even now all Indians are just farting. If he wanted to punish Pakistan then and couldn't for whatever reason, what is stopping him from doing that now. I assume it's his own ash that will get badly kicked as a result.
 
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