Indian false flag and current Indo-Pak stand-off updates

[KingQamaR]

Depends on where they are interms of preparation, but if they are close to testing completion, then yes. The J10CE shown at the recent Chinese airshow had the paintjob of a PAF J10CE for sure, so possible another batch is incoming.

I do wonder if PAF could get any PLAAF J10CEs conversions? It all really depends on if things kick off or not and what the attrition replacement requirements maybe. Better they are in China, and ready to be delivered, then in Pakistan then anything else i guess.

Also, there are some JF17C's that are meant to be delivered to Azerbijan shortly, if Azerbijan agrees(and if it does not affect their security too much ) maybe there can be a pause on those deliveries and they are used by PAF.

The biggest advantage we Pakistanis have over India is that when it comes to Aircraft maintenance or repair parts, they're easily accessible to get since the J10's are manufactured in China, our next door neighbour and iron brother. This also helps to facilitate any subsequent enhancements that the PAF wishes to make in the future. For india, if the Rafale needed any parts or repairs .....good luck to them trying to get them delivered all the way from France during war and then trying to have them installed only to find that the wrong parts were delivered. Maybe wiser posters on here can please tell me is it Possible for PAF to harass French or Israeli aircraft or ships delivering parts to India . After all its war we have every right to attack Indian supply lines.

 

[Meengla]

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Please... let's be careful here. I still have one surviving uncle and literally dozens of FIRST cousins and their kids in India. They are ordinary Indians with small businesses or average paying jobs. They already live in fear since Modi came to power and they are SO AFRAID that they never WRITE anything remotely critical of India in WhatsApp but during phone calls they hint at the fear they are living with.
My relatives are a sitting duck along with most of Indian Muslims because they are not concentrated in one place except for some localities spread over India. My advice to them would be to 'lay low' and try to be as good citizen of India as they could until there is a genuine liberal democracy in India. Their hearts may beat with Pakistan but their minds should beat with India!

 

[RescueRanger]

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[gamaji]

I was just watching interviews of Abdullah and some others on TheWire. According to him after Jaffer attack in Balochistan, he was scared that something similar was going to happen in IoK.

Now Indian generals are openly accepting responsibility for BLA terror activities. I mean likes of Arya who is very close to Indian army brag about it on twitter all the time.

In fact on this forum majority of Pakistanis believed that ISI allowed India to carry out assassinations in Pakistan without much blow back and halla gulla. But going after Jaffer train by BLA was too much.

So there is good chance Pakistan may have given them green signal to carry out Kashmir attack in revenge of Jaffer terrorist attack. Similar tactics of checking IDs in both cases.

All speculative talk. It's not a tit-for-tat thingy from the very looks of it. Pakistan has offered to get these two terrorist attacks (i.e. in Pahalgam and on Jafar express train) investigated by any other neutral agency or body to expose the culprits behind these attacks.

There must be a reason why Indians are not accepting that offer.

 

[RescueRanger]

All speculative talk. It's not a tit-for-tat thingy from the very looks of it. Pakistan has offered to get these two terrorist attacks (i.e. in Pahalgam and on Jafar express train) investigated by any other neutral agency or body to expose the culprits behind these attacks.

There must be a reason why Indians are not accepting that offer.

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This, Pakistan has been very transparent on this offer, going as far as saying they welcome a neutral nation to lead the investigation but India has rebuffed these requests. The rest is as they say, history...

 

[gamaji]

He has been barking a lot for some time now... Sadly some of the analysts who sit outside of Pakistan have decided to take the coin at the bottom of the cup instead of look deep inside and reflect on where their true loyalties should belong.

I know things are hard, there is an economic crisis and everything is expensive, but why sell your soul for a few clicks and some coin?

Agreed. I mean what is the credibility of this idiot peerzada.

Character wise , he is a crook who was caught in the UAE while taking finger impressions of his dead father and put in jail. Was brought back by Pak military.

He is not a well qualified person either. What the heck is hos qualification?

He is not even a reputed analyst. The establishment simply used this dude as a barking dog for dispersing information for certain purpose. And that's it. That does not make a brainless idiot a scholar.

And now he is openly acting against the state of Pakistan, and so he is a ba$tard for me in any case. After doing that, he is in fact a haramzada.

 

[KingQamaR]

W/Salam, I’m logging off brother’s.

A Dua for our Pakistan Army.


“My Lord, aid me and do not aid against me, and grant me victory and do not grant victory over me, plan for me and do not plan against me, guide me and facilitate guidance for me, grant me victory over those who transgress against me.

 

[FuturePAF]

He has been barking a lot for some time now... Sadly some of the analysts who sit outside of Pakistan have decided to take the coin at the bottom of the cup instead of look deep inside and reflect on where their true loyalties should belong.

I know things are hard, there is an economic crisis and everything is expensive, but why sell your soul for a few clicks and some coin?

I haven’t seen his recently video, but I was shocked to see Christine Fair as one of those he invited on. Regardless of what she says, IMHO, it doesn’t necessarily reflect on his views.

His comments about visiting Israel and hearing out Israeli points of view seemed beyond the pale I must admit.

I don’t think he’s sold his soul, rather see that he is working his way into a dead end option, thinking the solution for Pakistan’s problems lies in lobbying Washington. It’s like a mathematical formulary, one where if only he could solve it, the path will emerge.

The center of gravity may appear to be foreign powers, but it honestly is the Wealthy of Pakistan. Whomever can get them on their side, will shift the trajectory of the country. Finding a way to convince them would be worthwhile. All other efforts seem just intended to waste one’s time.

This isn’t to say he shouldn’t hear out foreign voices. But we shouldn’t dilute ourselves that foreigners will act in anything other than their own self interest. The diaspora, for its part feels lost and just seeks a return to dignity or to ignore events and try to carry on, feeling just as disempowered, just the same as the rest of Pakistanis, living in Pakistan.

 

[Ali_Baba]

If there is a conflict it could possibly spill over here in the uk

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[Mirzali Khan]

They are collecting infinity stones of the most annoying diasporas of the world

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[Meengla]

He is not even a reputed analyst. The establishment simply used this dude as a barking dog for dispersing information for certain purpose. And that's it. That does not make a brainless idiot a scholar.

Unfortunately, some BhagoRas (fugitives) Pakistan are making a LOT of money by parroting lies which pander to gullible Pakistanis of a certain political affiliation AND Indians too flock their channels.

As I keep saying that: For Pakistan's domestic political reasons, some want to discredit the Pakistani Army to gain political advantage in Pakistan and their target is shared by the Indians except Indians rightly know that once the Pakistani military is discredited then the very state of Pakistan is vulnerable. So the target is the same but goals are different.

Look at how much money these Haramkhor 'Pakistanis' make! They are the REAL MIR JAFFARS of Pakistan and some of them wont' shut up even during this crisis!

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[maverick]

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This, Pakistan has been very transparent on this offer, going as far as saying they welcome a neutral nation to lead the investigation but India has rebuffed these requests. The rest is as they say, history...

No one listens to Pakistan and no one pays a damn, the leaders have always been on rent for foreign powers and they are massively corrupt, they have no credibility.
Only a credible leaders offer with a character can be entertained.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Bharati policymakers and strategists follow Chanokko principles vis-a-vis their neighbors. They have simply no room for coexistence in friendly cooperative terms. It's either dominate or be dominated. And, all means are justified. Therefore, you have no option but to keep you Zulfikars ever ready....

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

You can also deliver a stern message without any theatrics, chest thumping, huffling, shouting, talkbacks, browbeats etc. Here's an example:

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[Lulldapull]

Do we know what has been shipped to India ? And, is it with the view that the on the ground Israeli experts will operate any equipment delivered from Israel ?

Connect da dots and cross da Tees together no? they already operating the Bharrak system for a decade now and more than likely the Arrow/ David Sling is already in place long ago and those 17 mysterious Israelis were the guys running those defense batteries who visited few days ago protecting India's vital military infrastructure against our SRBM/ IRBM attack no?

Itne bholay ho aap?