Indian false flag and current Indo-Pak stand-off updates

[gamaji]

I am still neutral.
Let military fo their actual job.

neutral to janwar hota hai! - Dangar IK

 

[RescueRanger]

Moeed Pirzada in his latest video (below):

Pahalgam attack was not a false flag and Pakistan's complicity is evident

(and in his most Previous video)

1) NO one in the US administration believes Pakistan is not behind the attack and all planning is being done as this was a terrorist attack blessed by Army

2) Pakistan Media is misrepresenting China's support. Not only is China's support as open handed, but if you read between the lines, China has actually asked Pakistan to 'come clean' on terrorism to a certain level (His words, not mine)

When you're 'friends' and enemies are beginning to sound the same, you need to introspect. Munira has now made enemies of the whole world for Pakistan.

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Acha Bachoon to phir is post sey humney ka seekha?

 

[FuturePAF]

Well found something interesting:
Came across a lone helicopter flying close to the Pak Border:
Went in for a closer look noticed the hovering pattern to be a little sus:
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The light pattern resembled what I had seen of Israeli drones during the Palestine Conflict back in October:
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Then I had a look at the Registration:
N168TB (for previous experience) these are usually Bell Jet helicopters -

So I did a little more digging:
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Helicopter Bell 407 Serial 53434 Register N168TB N3959A N837DR used by Jacobs Aviation Service ,Chaparral Air Group ,US Department of Homeland Security DHS. Built 2000. Aircraft history and location

Hmm... 168TB is showing as registered as a Bell Jet Helicopter with the Department for Homeland Security in the US... Did some image searches
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I seriously doubt the US would be flying a helicopter from the DHS along the Pak/India LOC so I did some more investigation:
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So this aircraft takes off from India and patrols some interesting places - China, India, Jammu, and today "Sialkot"...

Now I really was curious: I did a search on the callsign 4X-UMH, turns out there where other 4X callsigns showing up as Bell helicopters behaving in this strange manner, then some more light detective work revealed this image:
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Turns out our "Bell Helicopter" isn't a helicopter at all, it is a Israeli manufactured Heron Drone - notice on this image from Israel the 4X markings on the fuselage... turns out the Indians have learned the trick from their Israeli friends to spoof the transponder code to make their drones appear as if they are helicopters or civi aircraft.

@Musings

They look like they are trying to map positions on the LOC for a massive artillery strike. Indians want blood and this is where they will probably do it. Fighting on the IB would signal a larger conflict, so they are trying to get signatures; all kinds thermal, lidar, electronic to kill as many in a first strike.

 

[LHA4210]

Aww look at the little guy...
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I've posted about this drone before in this thread. I saw it on flightRadar months ago before this attack happened, but now it conducts almost daily flights across the LOC.

 

[LHA4210]

Currently around 2km from LOC now.

 

[HAIDER]

Lets cool down...

 

[RescueRanger]

I've posted about this drone before in this thread. I saw it on flightRadar months ago before this attack happened, but now it conducts almost daily flights across the LOC.

Its a spoofed transponder code - so it will be more than 1 drone, the Israeli's did the same in Gaza,

 

[RescueRanger]

@imadul no political posts. Please! You will be thread banned. You can take that to other threads. Our nation is facing a potential war, get some perspective.

 

[TopGun786]

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I agree — but in doing all this, India does gain one key advantage after that attack.

From the Indian perspective, I don’t expect any new attacks in the near future. The people who carry out such attacks on the ground, along with their handlers, now understand that the situation between India and Pakistan could escalate severely.

Personally, I also support the firm message India is sending to the world — that terrorist attacks have no place and cannot be tolerated. The moment you start downplaying or accepting such incidents, you open the door for more attacks to follow

But the thing is Pahlagam attach was an inside job so to whom this so called message will be delivered?

 

[TopGun786]

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Old, but gold

 

[Tamerlane]

Indians.

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[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

They look like they are trying to map positions on the LOC for a massive artillery strike. Indians want blood and this is where they will probably do it. Fighting on the IB would signal a larger conflict, so they are trying to get signatures; all kinds thermal, lidar, electronic to kill as many in a first strike.

The Pak side can map their positions too! In that region I think Bharati artillery is mostly static. So, do a "TB2" on them....

 

[Maarkhoor]

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[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

And probably compel Pakistan to make some concession to India, so Modi wins face and consequentially, Pakistan loses some “acceptable amount” of face.

Modi is leverage his international relations to build up regional hegemony incrementally.

As I said before, and I’ll say it again, Pakistan needs to see this as a wake up moment and build up its DIME leverage, hornets India wants to squeeze Pakistan, via water, agriculture and the overall economy to keep Pakistan weak enough to be dictated to.

IMO Pakistan shouldn't make any concessions unless required as a strategic retreat....

 

[KingQamaR]

And probably compel Pakistan to make some concession to India, so Modi wins face and consequentially, Pakistan loses some “acceptable amount” of face.

Modi is leverage his international relations to build up regional hegemony incrementally.

As I said before, and I’ll say it again, Pakistan needs to see this as a wake up moment and build up its DIME leverage, hornets India wants to squeeze Pakistan, via water, agriculture and the overall economy to keep Pakistan weak enough to be dictated to.

This time feels a little different though ….
Cancellation of Shimla agreement and also the Indus water treaty never really happened before even during the last wars. India using water as a strategic pressure point on us . This means there will be a full out war in the future by Pakistan at some point over its water resources even with a super miracle we were to avoid a full scale war this week ( MAD)