Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Rafale is a very good multi role fighter jet whose ground attack capability is certainly better than j10c! However, j10c has better radar and longer range air to air missile! J10c can kill rafale but the latter cannot kill the former! The PL-15 air to air missiles gives it more advantage on air combat. Greece and Turkey s Mock dogfights are all good not sane as real combat conditions. Rafale users from today you will look at this bird differently she is not what she was made out to be by Dassault! Turkish airforce will be already in contact with PAF. Yes we can put this down has an isolated incident by IAF but I believe this has huge ramifications for all Rafale users around the world!
I don't know if the radar on the J-10C is better or if the PL-15 gives it an advantage. Theoretically,a Rafale equipped with Meteor should be able to kick ass. Again,theoretically. Now,we have to know the conditions of and if they were shot down and with what. I mean,neither side will say the truth right now. Remember how Ukrainians were talking about the Ghost of Kiev and Russians shooting down a gazillion missiles.
 
are you guys noticing the statements coming out by the govt officials, selling lot
 
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From ISPR press conference...

"“It should also be noted that the Pakistan Armed Forces could have shot at even more than 10 of their aircraft but we exercised restraint,” the DG ISPR added"

... Never give up this puddu mentality. Why the **** are you exercising restraint. Motherfuckers even attack out water infrastructure and these donkeys want to exercise restraint. What did restraint gain you in 2019?!

If that’s the mentality going in then Pakistan has already lost.
 
- For the friends that want to attack civilians on the other side of the border, like many have pointed out -- its not allowed in Islam and it is against humanity to target civilians.

- Ofcourse, a response strike is warranted, however -- just going and taking out soft targets isn't the way. Pakistan is not Israel where it can go out and take out innocents and hardly faces any consequence, any reaction focusing on soft targets would be like inviting other actors i.e. the west/Russia to take India's side and whereby the de-escalation resulting from this current standoff may favor India. In fact, if it de-escalated at this very point, it still favors India as they have unilaterally removed themselves from the IWT, as well as the revocation of the article 370.

- The press conference by the DGISPR was actually quite good if one actually thinks about it. Special mention of the attacks being across LOC and the international border, as well as targeting Neelum Jehlum project etc. and the damage report including all casualties and their details etc. Thats the damage report + indication, that look the opposition has done so and so, and if Pakistan does the same XYZ, it would be completely in its right to do so, as it would not be a provocation but a tit for tat.

- However, the statements by the civilian leadership are without a doubt a slap to the face of the nation, where they say that "The response has already been given". Unless it is a diversion, I don't know if people will ever forget that Pakistan was attacked and it did nothing. Even if we did, India and other elements will be emboldened and we'll probably see this sort of action every 5-7 years or so. Talk about snatching a loss from a victory on the ground.

-Im not sure if the response comes in immediately, or is it Pakistan's turn to play hide and seek, and when it senses fatigue and the enemy drops the level of urgency, it strikes (similar to what Iran did to Israel, and Israel did back to Iran).

- Whatever maybe the case, as it stands, IAF effed around and found out with multiple of its crown jewels tasting the dust. The raptor of the east once again being the craptor of the east, the Mig-29 that IAF once thought was the answer for the F-16 and the mighty rafale "agar raphale hota" . I dunno if the M2k was shot down or not, but the fact remains, while they were able to get their weapons off and kill our civilians --- the mighty IAF got a reality check.
 
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You should ask Pakistani state to answer this question. I wouldn't wish for me to be the person who has to press that red or black button and decide fate of this region, neither I would want it for anyone else.

But no matter what your argument still doesn't justify your call for Kitaal of piss poor, ignorant, malnourished, poverty stricken indian souls who are victim of sheer propaganda, misinformation and strong inferiority complex.

I haven’t called for killing civilians at all. I’ve suggested that Hindu extremists be declared terrorists and hunted down. Regarding the permissibility of killing civilians in a war, I’m not an Islamic or legal expert. However, I have seen for the last couple of decades the civilized world remorselessly killing Muslim women and children without limit. Some estimates have suggested that 10 million Muslims have been killed since 9/11.

If we want to take away the fear of retaliation from the enemy then so be it. India has just killed Pakistani women and children. Let’s reassure them that we won’t touch their women and children.
 
The IAF probably were able to seal off the sites of other wreckages before the public could get to them and so we'll never see any other images. Hence why we only have an image of the engine for one craft for example
 

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