Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Fun fact confirmed by two.

Lead strikers were j10c and jf17 blk 3 with pl15. f16s formed the second layer of defense followed by Sams and other airborne and ground based assets.

F16s have been subsided for the first time serving in the PAF.
 
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Guys, go to twitter and check the official martin baker channel. Last crash was Pakistani Mirage on April 16th while they were training and last night Martin Baker skipped 3 numbers. 3 unaccounted seat launches. LOLOL. JF17 and J10 do not use Baker seats. Fck the Pakistanis are not lying.
jf-17s use PK-16LE.
 
The equation is simple - India wants no response after what’s already been done otherwise it is threatening to go all out with their preplanned attack areas.

From a pure paper perspective Pakistan has no hope for victory in that scenario but so far paper has been less than accurate
The larger/strategic goal is to establish a new normal that for every terrorist attack, real financial and reputational costs will be imposed on Pakistan Army.

So far, PA has had the ability to cheaply (for a few thousand USD) set up attacks on India in Kashmir and escalate/deescalate based on their wishes.

The new normal is (including taking own losses) to ensure that every terrorist attack in India costs PA a very large sum of money (increased deployments, combat losses) and increased potential for 'losing face' in front of their population. This will make the PA more circumspect and hesitant to launch terror attacks. Though I must acknowledge, PA is already much more circumspect than in the decades past (FATF, sanctions, etc.).
 
I may get flak for this but diplomtically, poltically and militarily it may be worth ending it now.

Pakistan will look magnanimous

India has been seen globally as an aggressor

Pakistan has shown a feat of arms unrivalled in modern warfare for the last 30-35 years
You dont get to act "magnanimous" when your country's children get butchered in the middle of the night by enemy strikes.

Fck India
 
Yes, India was very quick to suggest a de-escalation by officially saying that they didn't target civilians or Pakistani economy or Pakistani military. But they did attack Pakistan, knowing Pakistan would quickly respond, which Pakistan did against the Indian aircrafts and in IoK. Maybe Indians were hoping to wash-away the Abhinandan 2019 stigma by shooting down a Pakistani aircraft but that seemed to have majorly gone wrong--totally opposite.
You know, only about 24 hours ago, Indians here were saying nothing was going to happen and maybe just the Indians wanted to deplete the Pakistani resources via prolonged heightened alert. But we have gone past that stage and the initiative is with Pakistan now to respond.
We need to understand India's end game here. Really need to understand that. There is something driving the Indian over-reaction on Pahalgam unless they have become victim to their own propaganda and delusions.
There are certain assurances India has from other nations in assisting in case China intervenes and that entirely decades long wishfulness of “two front” war narrative was to drive to this.

Remember - WW1 was just the assassination jn Austria - it was already multiple hot but somewhat disconnected fronts coming together after that.

WW2 was also disconnected until US joined in and Japan allies with Germany.

Three disconnected fronts could come together
 
You dont get to act "magnanimous" when your country's children get butchered in the middle of the night by enemy strikes.

Fck India
You have no idea what butchering has been done on LoC against their troops - but additional losses have also happened to civilians on both sides.
 

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