PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[Abid123]

90 J-10CE seems unlikely, too much of economic burden, better go for another squadron then move on to J-35.

Should have 54 J-10C's.

 

[Khanivore]

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I wonder how Shiv feels now.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I agree, I'm really impressed with the J10
BUT

My feeling is the PAF puts it's plane in 'use' categories as opposed to counting numbers


So it views the 20 J10s, the 20 F17s B52 and the JF17 Block 3s as one group with everything else providing back up


If they view the J35 as a superior option to the J10 and something that comes within 2 years, then I think they will just save resources for the J35
And use JF17 block 3s as replacement for any mirages or PGs

My personal view is J10 has proven itself very effectively and we should increase the numbers to anywhere between 30-50 as a solid base backed up by JF17s

Then we can just wait for J35 to get ready

The only issue being, IF we order more J10s how long will it take and if it takes the same amount of time as the J35 then what's the point

Numbers should be increased for J10C for sure
I would not say 90 , but another 36 , would be welcomed addition

To take of the load from F16 C/D , and may be the F16 C/D can go thru some sort of upgrade (if it is possible) , to retain the numbers

J10C : 25% , 36 planes (first batch) , 30 planes (Second batch)

F16C/D : 25% , 75 planes - Upgrade (If possible)

JF17 Block II/Block III : 40% (150 planes) , 26 planes (Block III)

J-35 : 10% 36 planes (First Batch)

KAAN : <Under Development>


Retire or Donate to friendly Nation

• F7PG - Retire (Set for Retirement 30 planes)
• Mirage III - Retire (Set for Retirement 30 planes)
• Mirage V - Retire (Set for Retirement 30 planes)

There are few friendly nations in need for Fighter Jets

 

[Ali_Baba]

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What are the chances that PAF asks for changes/ enhancements that result in a J10DE? Ie lessons learnt enhancements? Depends on what PAF orders in numbers I guess.

 

[Khanivore]

What are the chances that PAF asks for changes/ enhancements that result in a J10DE? Ie lessons learnt enhancements? Depends on what PAF orders in numbers I guess.

My thoughts exactly. PAF learned so much I think they already know what they want.

 

[iblini]

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we can spared from all the bs we endured from PDF Indian as well.

 

[gangsta_rap]

Numbers should be increased for J10C for sure
I would not say 90 , but another 36 , would be welcomed addition

To take of the load from F16 C/D , and may be the F16 C/D can go thru some sort of upgrade (if it is possible) , to retain the numbers

J10C : 25% , 36 planes (first batch) , 30 planes (Second batch)

F16C/D : 25% , 75 planes - Upgrade (If possible)

JF17 Block II/Block III : 40% (150 planes) , 26 planes (Block III)

J-35 : 10% 36 planes (First Batch)

KAAN : <Under Development>


Retire or Donate to friendly Nation

• F7PG - Retire (Set for Retirement 30 planes)
• Mirage III - Retire (Set for Retirement 30 planes)
• Mirage V - Retire (Set for Retirement 30 planes)

There are few friendly nations in need for Fighter Jets

Yes and you're the one paying for it all.

Thanks for footing the bill!

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Yes and you're the one paying for it all.

Thanks for footing the bill!

Comes from Budget which already is planned

 

[FuturePAF]

we can spared from all the bs we endured from PDF Indian as well.

To be fair, most PDF Indians know they are not in their echo chamber and have to argue logically, not emotionally. Remember that your enemy is the best teacher.

 

[FuturePAF]

Numbers should be increased for J10C for sure
I would not say 90 , but another 36 , would be welcomed addition

To take of the load from F16 C/D , and may be the F16 C/D can go thru some sort of upgrade (if it is possible) , to retain the numbers

J10C : 25% , 36 planes (first batch) , 30 planes (Second batch)

F16C/D : 25% , 75 planes - Upgrade (If possible)

JF17 Block II/Block III : 40% (150 planes) , 26 planes (Block III)

J-35 : 10% 36 planes (First Batch)

KAAN : <Under Development>


Retire or Donate to friendly Nation

• F7PG - Retire (Set for Retirement 30 planes)
• Mirage III - Retire (Set for Retirement 30 planes)
• Mirage V - Retire (Set for Retirement 30 planes)

There are few friendly nations in need for Fighter Jets

20 Solid Squadrons, especially if all the JF-17s get upgraded to the Block 3 standard and we can get a decent upgrade for the F-16s. 10% 5th Gen and 90% 4.5 Gen

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

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I want to know which jet they'll bat for now, knowing fully well that whatever it is it'll be bowled out with a clean yorker?

 

[FuturePAF]

I want to know which jet they'll bat for now, knowing fully well that whatever it is it'll be bowled out with a clean yorker?

I think they will go for the Su-57. They don’t like Trump’s response to this crisis and don’t trust the Americans with weapon platforms at crucial moments.

Either way, Pakistan has to plan for its J-35s to do battle with both the F-35 (just in case) and the Su-57 (more likely) as well as their current fleet (can’t afford to let our guard down).

 

[Harbyharb]

We absolutely have the know-how to develop these in-house.

I have no doubt that it is within Pakistan's capabilities to create some lower end terminal drone defence systems. For example the FK-3000's micro missiles are essentially laser beam-riding rockets that in large part can be produced with commercial components.

The question if it is feasible to do so. The main challenge in anti-drone defence was never the capability, it is the sustainability, how to come up with a solution quickly and cheaply so you don't break the bank every time the other side sends a 2000 dollar shahed knock-off.

Even if Pakistan can produce an in-house solution with commercial systems, said commercial systems themselves doesn't magically appear within pakistan - they are made in China, Turkey, Iran, wherever. A domestic system produced in this fashion may not be significantly cheaper than export equivelents, and that really defeats the point for domestic production.

Blindly pursuing domestic independent production regardless of the domestic economic reality could drive up prices while producing substandard equipment -- this is a point that both Japan and India should've made very clear to the world. In my opinion as a neutral spectator, so long as China is willing to offer these systems near the cost of production with very few strings attached, there isn't really an urgent drive to strive for an in-house solution

 

[Harbyharb]

I want to know which jet they'll bat for now, knowing fully well that whatever it is it'll be bowled out with a clean yorker?

They will have to go back to the FGFA. There is no alternative.

India doctrinally depended on tactical jets with multi-purpose payloads to conduct tactical strikes and fire recon, not only to satisfy a long-term expansionist agenda but also infrequent ad-hoc operations against threats both internal and external. Pak-fa platform is the only airframe design that india could get and can satisfy their requirement in payload, range, and political flexibility.

Procuring F-35 would mean surrendering India's operational independence and binding itself to the western strategy. It would not fly with the political circumstances that India is in.

Although I think India will still waste 5-10 more years on their AMCA before they actually have to fully commit with the Russians.

 

[m52k85]

I have no doubt that it is within Pakistan's capabilities to create some lower end terminal drone defence systems. For example the FK-3000's micro missiles are essentially laser beam-riding rockets that in large part can be produced with commercial components.

The question if it is feasible to do so. The main challenge in anti-drone defence was never the capability, it is the sustainability, how to come up with a solution quickly and cheaply so you don't break the bank every time the other side sends a 2000 dollar shahed knock-off.

Even if Pakistan can produce an in-house solution with commercial systems, said commercial systems themselves doesn't magically appear within pakistan - they are made in China, Turkey, Iran, wherever. A domestic system produced in this fashion may not be significantly cheaper than export equivelents, and that really defeats the point for domestic production.

Blindly pursuing domestic independent production regardless of the domestic economic reality could drive up prices while producing substandard equipment -- this is a point that both Japan and India should've made very clear to the world. In my opinion as a neutral spectator, so long as China is willing to offer these systems near the cost of production with very few strings attached, there isn't really an urgent drive to strive for an in-house solution

In short, putting up a defence that is all but water tight is always going to be more expensive than maintaining an aggressive posture. e.g. send your whole airforce over the border, OCA, SEAD, Strike.