Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Well, the truth is most Indian Labor in the GCC is very respectful and mind their own business.. that is why they are accepted..
This mirrors what the Indian ambassador to Saudi, Talmiz Ahmad said to Karan Thapar. Indians took it to heart, and it is something Pakistanis need to take to heart about the GCC. Stay out of their business when you are there to work.

IMHO, the GCC will be critical for Pakistan building its economy and its defense going forward. We can’t afford to meddle in their affairs.

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Pakistan is Pakistan, and the GCC is not Pakistan nor the west, it is its own place with its own rules, and we shouldn’t forget it.
This is the imagery of “Bunyan ul Marsoos”; literally a “wall of lead” in Arabic. Military and civilians slinging lead at the enemy side by side like a wall.
 
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Quite a few (understatement) new posts since I last logged on. Change in the airspace on the Indian side. As of 0711 Pak time:

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Note imaginary line Indian side of the border. Buffer against imaginary Pak drone incursions or something else in mind?

Substantial uptick in traffic in Pak airspace from 3 or 4 hours ago.
 
Quite a few (understatement) new posts since I last logged on. Change in the airspace on the Indian side. As of 0711 Pak time:

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Note imaginary line Indian side of the border. Buffer against imaginary Pak drone incursions or something else in mind?

Substantial uptick in traffic in Pak airspace from 3 or 4 hours ago.
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I think this is risk management from some foreign carriers.
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F0672/25 (Issued for LFFF LFBB LFRR LFMM LFEE) - DUE TO SECURITY HAZARDOUS SITUATION BETWEEN INDIA AND PAKISTAN,FRENCH AIR CARRIERS AND CAPTAINS OF AIRCRAFT IN CHARGE OF AIR SERVICES OPERATED BY CARRIERS HOLDING AN OPERATING LICENSE ISSUED BY FRANCE, WHETHER THEY ARE CONTRACTUAL CARRIERS AND/OR OPERATING CARRIERS, OR PERFORMING AIR SERVICES THROUGH A WET LEASE OR A CODESHARE AGREEMENT AS WELL AS FOR ANY FLIGHT MADE WITH AN AIRCRAFT REGISTERED IN FRANCE ARE RECOMMANDED NOT TO ENTER IN THE AREA DEFINED BY POINTS 35040N - 72220E, 35040N - 76300E, 285150N 745700E, 285150N704200E LOCATED IN FIR DELHI (VIDF) , LAHORE (OPLR) AND KARACHI(OPKR). 07 MAY 17:21 2025 UNTIL 31 MAY 23:59 2025. CREATED: 07 MAY 17:22 2025
 

Wapda takes stock of damage to Neelum-Jhelum dam

Tariq Naqash Published May 9, 2025

A journalist photographs the damaged wall of the Neelum-Jhelum Hydropower Project in Nausari.—AFP

A journalist photographs the damaged wall of the Neelum-Jhelum Hydropower Project in Nausari.—AFP
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MUZAFFARABAD: Water and Power Development Authority (Wapda) Chairman retired Lt Gen Sajjad Ghani on Thursday visited the Neelum-Jhelum Hydropower Project (NJHP) dam site to assess damage from Indian shelling and to boost the morale of the staff deployed on-site.

The chairman was informed during a detailed inspection of the weir, de-sanders, and intake that the shelling began at 1:15am on May 7 and continued for approximately six hours, ending at 7:15am.

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The bombardment damaged a hydraulic power unit of an intake gate and reinforced concrete structures at de-sanders 1 and 3. A residential camp and a medical facility, including an ambulance, were also targeted, according to officials.

Mr Ghani “strongly condemned the Indian attack on the power project,” saying international law, including an additional protocol to the Geneva Conventions of Aug 12, 1949, prohibited attacks on water infrastructure, even during full-scale wars between states.

Attack condemned as ‘act of war’; damage to systems could have triggered ‘massive flooding’
“The coward enemy’s attack is unacceptable and it will be taken up with the respective forums,” he told media at the project site. “It is an act of war which is not acceptable for Pakistan. Even in World War I, World War II and other wars, no one targeted water reservoirs, projects, etc., under norms.”

He said damage to the project’s automated systems could have caused “massive flooding from Muzaffarabad to Mangla”.

“Thank God, our project’s automated system remained safe,” he said. “And had these been affected, there would have been a flood situation from Muzaffarabad to Mangla. Our country escaped a big disaster.”

The Wapda chairman praised the project staff for their “dedication and courage” in taking timely action to protect vital installations. He was accompanied by Muhammad Arfan Miana, acting member for power and chief executive officer of the NJHP Company, as well as the chief engineer and project director, and the chief engineer for operations and maintenance of the project.

A day earlier, ISPR Director General Lt Gen Ahmed Sharif Chaudhry also condemned the attack, describing it as a “flagrant violation of international law and conventions”. He said targeting Pakistan’s water infrastructure “represented a dangerous escalation and posed serious humanitarian and environmental risks.”

The 969MW project completely halted power production at 6am on May 1, 2024, after its remaining two turbines were shut down due to deteriorating conditions in its Headrace Tunnel. The first two turbines had been shut down in early April 2024 following a reduction in tunnel pressure, just days after the project had briefly achieved full generation capacity.

Khalid Hasnain in Lahore also contributed to this report

Published in Dawn, May 9th, 2025

 

AI's key take of Thomas Keith's analysis...

🕊️ The War Didn’t End—It Shifted

  • The conflict didn't conclude, it went quiet.
  • What happened wasn’t a minor border clash—it was a simulation of future warfare.
  • The era of tanks and dogfights is over.
    The new battlefield is electromagnetic, psychological, and invisible.


🛰️ Pakistan’s New War Doctrine

  • Pakistan didn’t just defend territory—it demonstrated a doctrine:
    • Rooted in signal control
    • Electromagnetic denial
    • Narrative preemption
  • This wasn’t about which jet flies faster.
    It was about which side controls latency, perception, and decision loops.
Future victories won't be about force. They’ll be about removing your enemy's ability to act at all.


🔗 Building the Kill Web

  • To solidify this edge, Pakistan needs to stop thinking in inventories (weapons, numbers) and start thinking in architecture (systems, networks).

First Critical Node: Airborne Electronic Attack Aircraft

  • Pakistan doesn’t yet have this.
  • Example: China’s J-16D, similar to the U.S. EA-18G Growler.
    • Not a fighter – it’s an electromagnetic disruptor.
    • Equipped with:
      • Internal jammers
      • SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses) weapons
      • Radar denial pods
  • Purpose: Not to shoot—but to make enemy systems go blind and deaf mid-air.
Without this platform, Pakistan must jam from the ground.
With it, it cuts India’s sensor net mid-flight.


👁️ See Without Being Seen: Passive Radar

  • Even more powerful than firing first is seeing firstwithout being seen.
  • Solution: Passive radar systems like YLC-29 or Vera-NG.
    • They don’t transmit signals.
    • They just listen—detecting aircraft based on their own emissions.
  • These systems don’t participate in combat—they haunt it.
Place them across Punjab, Sindh, Balochistan, and Pakistan creates a silent, invisible web of vision.
India’s stealth jets, drones, and missiles become detectable the moment they operate.


🚀 Hypersonic Area-Denial Missiles

  • Strategic deterrence also means making your enemy hesitate.
  • Pakistan needs a hypersonic glide missile, like China’s DF-17.
    • Mach 5+ speed, near impossible to intercept.
    • Positioned near Gwadar, Pasni, or inland bunkers.
    • Targets: Indian carriers and naval strike groups.
It doesn’t need to be fired—only known to exist.
It creates psychological distance, pushing India’s navy far back.


🐝 Answering the Swarm

  • Wars of the future will be fought with drone clouds, loitering munitions, and electronic decoys.
  • India is already investing in this scale.
  • Pakistan’s answer must be AI-synced drone swarms:
    • Deceive enemy sensors
    • Exhaust enemy missiles
    • Jam communications
    • Spoof targeting
These are not just drones—they are narrative weapons.
They don’t win by destruction. They win by overwhelming the system with noise and confusion.


🧠 Final Takeaway: Doctrine Over Inventory

Pakistan’s strategic future depends on:
  1. Spectrum control over firepower
  2. Architecture over arsenal
  3. Deterrence through invisibility, disruption, and perception
Victory in tomorrow’s wars isn’t about blowing things up.
It’s about ensuring the enemy can’t see, can’t think, and never fires at all.
 
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F0672/25 (Issued for LFFF LFBB LFRR LFMM LFEE) - DUE TO SECURITY HAZARDOUS SITUATION BETWEEN INDIA AND PAKISTAN,FRENCH AIR CARRIERS AND CAPTAINS OF AIRCRAFT IN CHARGE OF AIR SERVICES OPERATED BY CARRIERS HOLDING AN OPERATING LICENSE ISSUED BY FRANCE, WHETHER THEY ARE CONTRACTUAL CARRIERS AND/OR OPERATING CARRIERS, OR PERFORMING AIR SERVICES THROUGH A WET LEASE OR A CODESHARE AGREEMENT AS WELL AS FOR ANY FLIGHT MADE WITH AN AIRCRAFT REGISTERED IN FRANCE ARE RECOMMANDED NOT TO ENTER IN THE AREA DEFINED BY POINTS 35040N - 72220E, 35040N - 76300E, 285150N 745700E, 285150N704200E LOCATED IN FIR DELHI (VIDF) , LAHORE (OPLR) AND KARACHI(OPKR). 07 MAY 17:21 2025 UNTIL 31 MAY 23:59 2025. CREATED: 07 MAY 17:22 2025
Makes sense. Nervous gunners and mis-identification are a recipe for disaster.
 
lol, I wouldn't mind they saying that, now, they can give up on the western front and time for their airforce to start another 07 May this time inside Tibet.
It's no secret many of them want to seize Xizang/Tibet from China.
 
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Overwhelming majority of Pakistan targets were within Kashmir while India, just like 1965, chose targets beyond the international boundary. That to me was the major takeaway apart from the extremely delayed Pakistan response after the impressive first night when PAF downed 5 frontline Indian fighter jets.
Not correct. Suratgarh, Sirsa, Bhuj, Adampur, Bhatinda, Halwara, Ambala, Pathankot, Beas, Nagrota, among others, were all locations hit outside of Kashmir.

Formal list of sites hit (Italics indicate sites in IIOK):

"Using precision-guided long-range Fatah series missiles F1 and F2 of Pakistan Army, precision munitions of PAF, highly capable long-range loitering killer munitions, and precision long-range artillery, 26x military targets as well as facilities that were used to target Pakistani citizens, and those enterprises that were responsible for fomenting terrorism in Pakistan, were engaged in Indian Illegally Occupied Jammu and Kashmir and also mainland India.

The targets included Air Force and Aviation bases at Suratgarh, Sirsa, Bhuj, Naliya, Adampur, Bhatinda, Barnala, Halwara, Awantipura, Srinagar, Jammu, Udhampur, Mamun, Ambala, and Pathankot, all of which sustained major damages.

BrahMos storage facilities at Beas and Nagrota were also destroyed, which had fired missiles on Pakistan killing innocent civilians including women, children and elderly.

S-400 battery systems at Adampur and Bhuj were also attacked and effectively neutralised by Pakistan Air Force.

Military logistics and support sites, which helped sustain this unlawful operation against innocent Pakistani civilians—like Field Supply Depot at Uri and Radar Station at Poonch—were also targeted.

Military Command Headquarters which helped plan the operational killing of our innocent citizens, especially the children, including 10 Bde and 80 Bde at KG Top and Naushera, were completely destroyed.

Facilities which harboured, trained, and capacitated proxy elements that perpetrated terrorist attacks inside Pakistan and killed innocent civilians were specifically identified and destroyed. These include intelligence units and their forward field elements at Rajauri and Naushera.

Across the LOC, military elements including HQs, logistic bases, artillery positions, and posts that had caused civilian casualties in Azad Jammu and Kashmir through unprovoked artillery and small arms fire were relentlessly targeted and heavily damaged, until they raised white flags and asked for restraint."
 
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Just watched the most boring speech in world from Modi ridiculously boring, thought I was watching something out of Bollywood movie

Yapping about some death, and then tieing it up with Sindoor
right out of some Bollywood movie

  • No mention of why India unilaterally started throwing missiles into Pakistan
  • No Mention of 6 Jets down , 1 SAM down and 80 drone down

But key part for me was that he rejected Trump's offer for trade by continuing his rhetoric about war and Heroism how he has the moral ground. Modi claims he can use any incident to start a war ? Trump openly stated "You want to do business with USA , you better promote peace"

The Guy Modi is truly Krazy

In context of the speech Trump's deal with China makes more sense why he quickly made a "Deal" with China , a stable sane country

Me after watching Modi speech, why did I waste my time?
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