PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[sutton9999]

PL15/PL15E has two unique features, other countries don't have yet or are under development (AIM260).

PL15 has dual pulse. Cruising during middle course, acceleration again when the embedded seeker locks on target at the final stage.

PL15 has an AESA seeker, can operate in low detection mode, approaching without triggering the warning system.

 

[MastanKhan]

Yup. J-10C vs Rafale is like P-47D vs Fw 190D. The former has the upper hand.

Hi,

The problem is with Rafales nose cone---. It cannot be enlarged---.

I believe that the TR modules on the Rafale's radar are even less than those on the JF17 BLK3 aircraft---.

 

[FuturePAF]

With the JF-17, J-10 and soon to arrive J-35 PAF should sell off its F-16, maybe to another country already operating it or back to the USA and reinvest the funds in these latest aircrafts. F-16 although a very good platform has too many strings attached and if they cannot be used against India what's the use for them.

We never know when the political winds shift and the F-16s get a decent upgrade in short order, as well as Pakistan being invited back into the western training circuit. Exposing the PAF to stealth fighters like the F-22, F-35 and advanced drones.

The F-16 is more about keeping a foot in the western tech room.

 

[FuturePAF]

PL15/PL15E has two unique features, other countries don't have yet or are under development (AIM260).

PL15 has dual pulse. Cruising during middle course, acceleration again when the embedded seeker locks on target at the final stage.

PL15 has an AESA seeker, can operate in low detection mode, approaching without triggering the warning system.

The seeker may need to be modified or changed soon. The Indians have the seekers and other chips, we used shooting down their birds. They’ll probably be the same components just modified. Hopefully it’s not too much of a hassle.

 

[FuturePAF]

Hi,

The problem is with Rafales nose cone---. It cannot be enlarged---.

I believe that the TR modules on the Rafale's radar are even less than those on the JF17 BLK3 aircraft---.

All the more reason to improve the JF-17’s electrical supply with a more powerful engine, so we can upgrade the fleet with the Block 3’s radar and get full use of it, as well as add an IRST for passive detection (and being cured by the AWACS) until the right time to use its own radar.

Then add a couple more J-10 squadrons for good measure before we transition to start procuring 5th Gen platforms there afterwards.

 

[iblini]

The seeker may need to be modified or changed soon. The Indians have the seekers and other chips, we used shooting down their birds. They’ll probably be the same components just modified. Hopefully it’s not too much of a hassle.

don't worry at all, it's just for those BJP bots and mindless Indian.

 

[Hakwa Nadro]

We never know when the political winds shift and the F-16s get a decent upgrade in short order, as well as Pakistan being invited back into the western training circuit. Exposing the PAF to stealth fighters like the F-22, F-35 and advanced drones.

The F-16 is more about keeping a foot in the western tech room.

Understandable, and don't be surprised either if USA offers more F-16 and upgrades just to keep Pakistan tied down and away from meaningful investment in Chinese systems. If upgrades are offered IMO PAF should go Turkish.

 

[FuturePAF]

Understandable, and don't be surprised either if USA offers more F-16 and upgrades just to keep Pakistan tied down and away from meaningful investment in Chinese systems. If upgrades are offered IMO PAF should go Turkish.

Agreed, Definitely should go Turkish.

 

[Mrc]

Keep F16 for strike role, relieve mirages, and! Build on kaan J35 and pfx

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

The problem is with Rafales nose cone---. It cannot be enlarged---.

I believe that the TR modules on the Rafale's radar are even less than those on the JF17 BLK3 aircraft---.

Hi,

I have been wondering if the 4.5 gen rafale got taken down with so much ease by our aircraft---then what gen would the JF17 BLK3 & J10 CE's would rank at---???

A 4.75 Gen or a 4.99 Gen---?

 

[sutton9999]

The seeker may need to be modified or changed soon. The Indians have the seekers and other chips, we used shooting down their birds. They’ll probably be the same components just modified. Hopefully it’s not too much of a hassle.

I would assume the USA already has one from PAF's inventory.
One has been switched with a fake.

 

[Han Patriot]

The seeker may need to be modified or changed soon. The Indians have the seekers and other chips, we used shooting down their birds. They’ll probably be the same components just modified. Hopefully it’s not too much of a hassle.

That was the backpanel of the seeker, meaning the transmitters were fried when the missile exploded. Seeker semiconductor is nothing special, the hard part is how you make those seeker transmitters that small and fit into that missile. The rest are just algorithms. Just as ASML CEO once said, I can give you the EUV blueprint, the issue is can you build it.

 

[guangdongt]

In the world of electronic products, a ten-year gap is the most conservative and equivalent to several decades for traditional mechanical and pneumatic products. Installing RD33 engine and F414 engine will not cause any qualitative changes in BVR. But the ten-year gap in radar, satellite, and communication will leave fighter jets with no return. The Indo Pakistani air battle marks the official beginning of a new era in aviation.

 

[arjunk]

The Pakistan Air Force's BVR was taught by China. Before the PL15 was equipped to Pakistan, the Pakistan Air Force did not have BVR.In the annual China-Pakistan military exercises, Chinese masters are teaching their apprentices.

this is just false, Pakistan had BVR prior to PL-15 not only in the form of SD-10 but also AIM-120C before that. PAF's foundation and BVR training was done by USAF. Based on our greater combat experience and exposure to western exercises, we have provided invaluable feedback to China, both during exercises and for design and configuration of J-10CE and J-35 (FC-31 was initially rejected by PAF)

China on the other hand has reached parity with the US when it comes to 5th and 6th gen tech, so you could call China a 'master' in those fields.

 

[majesticpug]

The Chinese already planning to configure the Pakistani J-35 to deal with which ever plane India chooses; F-35 or Su-57.

I saw a lot of talks about Pakistan needing to hurry the J35 because India is acquiring F35 or Su57. I'd say Bulls. Russia is being sanctioned and each Su57 coming off the production line will go to Russian AF until Putin feels safe against a swarm of NATO w/ F35. The US is not much better when it comes to their F35 production due to China's rare earth blockage. Each F35 coming off the production line is very precious and there're 10-15 countries waiting for the F35s they ordered.

What India will get within a year is an upgraded Rafale (F4 - same version being used by the French AF) that features among other improvements a GaN radar. That brings the Rafale radar to the same generation as J10C's but, a big BUT, Rafale's small cone size limits its radar size. It is then inherently inferior to J10C's radar.

The rest is just premonition: Get more J10C's to protect Pak's airspace and the ports critical to Pak's economy while waiting for J35's arrival.