Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

with so many false claims, one has to wonder, was there any thing ever solid. I mean, every where Indian foot print has risen, that place has started to deteriorate. Boeing, Google etc etc. seemingly, these Indians believe they are THE HANDS OF GOD!!!LOL


That is because indians regard themselves as a superior race that will do the west's bidding whereas the REALITY is that indians are an inferior race with deep-seated ingrained hatred towards Pakistanis and Muslims. Ever wondered why over 1.5 billion indians have NEVER EVER invented ANY advanced sciences or technologies? There is a REASON why indian needs white western european weapons and technology and cannot invent them themselves.
 
@Baibers_1260

The only country kicking out Indian diaspora is USA.

While it may be true (or not) that is beside the point. The Q is why are GCC Arabs not kicking out Indians?

Regards
Indian diaspora (as cheap labor) are kept till needed, and can be kicked out even after a hundred years. Examples: Uganda kicked out its Indian diaspora in the 1970s, and Hong Kong kicked out a large number of its Indian diaspora in the late 1990s. Earlier, Myanmar kicked out 90% of its Indian diaspora in late 1945-1946, and in another wave of expulsions in 1947.
The Sri Lankan Civil War has been closely watched by the GCC countries which is why the Indian diaspora rarely get citizenship and the citizenship rules have been made more stringent requiring a fluency and knowledge of classical Arabic.
The cheap Indian labor have no voting rights or say in the GCC power structure. All Indian guest workers are on 2 year renewable contracts and only reside there while fit to work. Once old age and illness sets in the work visas are cancelled and they are returned to India. This rotation is deliberate to prevent a family based population being established in those countries. If the Indian diaspora pose a threat to the culture and demographics of their host countries the GCC will expel them.
 
That is because indians regard themselves as a superior race that will do the west's bidding whereas the REALITY is that indians are an inferior race with deep-seated ingrained hatred towards Pakistanis and Muslims.
they fake everything, my aunt's indian GP diagnosed her cancer, when we discussed the reports with Pak. doctor, he said, it is curable and this is no cancer!!!!!

there are good Indians but fake ones are just too many!
 
@Meengla sb,

and even in Pak/BD vocational training centers can bring up replacements.

Good point as always. But setting up vocational training centers etc cost money. But with my dear friend @maverick sb putting a wish list of USD 22.5 billion p.a. (which Pak doesnt have in any case) on arms and military training, that money may not be readily available.

Regards
 
I guess the Indian workforce is more capable but I didn't necessarily mean get the replacements from Pak or BD: There are other countries with surplus labor with good skills and even in Pak/BD vocational training centers can bring up replacements. When there is a will, there is a way.
I think these days, this sort of attitude will not take Pakistan very far with the gulf Arabs.

The gulf Arabs, fundamentally are invested into the Western system, the west is also invested into India, therefore there is a mutual mutual association of interests

Furthermore, the Arabs seem intent on rent seeking from the economic prosperity of the West and other growth engines to secure their own futures, and India is a significant part of that portfolio, therefore in return they will have to accommodate Indian workers.


Finally, the Arabs are not really interested in notions of Islamic or Muslim favouriteism, in fact it's not just hard business but also a business that is not disruptive to their internal stability. Pakistan, after all is willing to go very strategically deep with turkey, which is a rival to the Saudis, why should the Saudis listen to Pakistani concerns?

These days, the economic connection of the gulf Nations to Pakistan is used to influence Pakistan and leverage over it. Over time, the ultimate answer is and always has been to develop your own internal market and diversify
 
no, i am not concluding anything, please dont call my arguments BS.... Indians have restrcited access to independent satellite, as per indian media sources, is that bull shit to your 'sensory' sensical mind?!
You just said Pakistan and China not releasing satellite images is part of the ceasefire agreement!! When no one has seen the ceasefire agreement, let alone someone like you. How is that not making up bs?! Just because the Indians have banned independent sat image providers, that doesn't stop Pak or China from releasing their own images.

No one on this forum knows why they haven't. It's the same bs about "not wanting to humiliate India", as if the Chinese and Pakistanis have ever given a shit about hurting the feelings of blood Indians!

Like I said, stop making up bs by jumping to conclusions and relating correlation with causation...that's the most simplest of fallacies anyone can make.
 
This is one of the best write ups - enjoy:

By:- Thomas Keith


Ghosts in the Noise Floor: No. 24 Squadron and the Electromagnetic Decapitation of Operation Sindoor

1/ When the May 2025 crisis detonated across the Line of Control, Pakistan’s first combat aircraft over the ridgeline were not J-10Cs slinging PL-15s, they were the two silver-grey Falcon DA-20s of No. 24 Squadron “Blinders,” running electronic support measures 40 kilometres inside their own airspace and staring straight through India’s assault packages. The squadron’s motto, first to fly in, last to fly out, is more than swagger; for thirty-eight years the Blinders have been the PAF’s airborne scalpel, their DA-20s carrying racks of wide-band jammers and crystal receivers that map every hostile emitter in real time.

Operation Sindoor began at 1:05 a.m., when the Indian Air Force launched 30–40 sorties of Su-30MKIs and Rafales carrying BrahMos and Storm Shadow cruise missiles. Israeli Heron drones orbited for BDA. Strike vectors were chosen through radar shadow zones in the mountains, and no aircraft crossed the LoC, India’s objective was political, not military. Civilian structures were targeted from standoff range to minimize escalation, while numerically superior IAF formations, four strike packages totaling over 70 aircraft, attempted to stretch PAF response across multiple axes. The main axis, led by the 17th “Golden Arrows” Squadron, deployed nearly all flyable Rafales, 14 out of 18. This was India’s steel fist. Or so they thought.

What they didn’t account for was what came before the PL-15 volley. The DA-20s were already there.

Within minutes, Link-16 and MIDS channels went black. Rafale wingmen, unable to see their flight leads on the Multi-Function Displays, began shouting bearings over degraded single-sideband radio, until one shouted into silence as his leader exploded mid-air. Pakistan later released these cockpit recordings during the 11 May ISPR briefing. There was no response from Delhi.

This was not merely communications denial, it was surgical signal removal. The aircraft were flying at ultra-low altitude, beyond the horizon of Pakistani ground-based jammers. The jamming could only have come from the air. Yet Pakistan has no Y-8G electronic warfare aircraft in its inventory. The ISPR made no mention of jamming platforms and yet the effect was total. The Blinders were the invisible hand behind the curtain.

The kill chain that followed was pure systems warfare. Erieye AEW&C aircraft stitched together the battlespace, relaying precise intercept vectors. J-10Cs rose from ground alert in 4-ship flights. The Blinders lit up the Meteor uplinks with high-gain spot jammers, denying mid-course updates. Indian missiles went dumb. PAF missiles did not. PL-15Es, fired from 150+ km, punched through degraded ECM bubbles and slammed into IAF aircraft still clinging to terrain-following tactics meant for older missile generations.

Wreckage rained down across Pulwama, Akliyan Kalan, and Pathankot. Some aircraft were hit on final approach, landing gear down. The IAF misread the kill geometry, believing PAF fighters had violated Indian airspace, when in fact, they had not. It was the missile envelope, not the pilot, that crossed the border.

By 1:30 a.m., the IAF was finished. Su-30s, Rafales, MiG-29s and MiG-21s scrambled blindly, only to meet another volley. A MiG-29 fell near Akhnoor. Another Mirage or Rafale was vaporized 15 km from Srinagar. A massive French drop tank jettisoned over Pampore signaled mass retreat. The PAF did not pursue. The engagement ended.
No Within Visual Range combat occurred. Not a single dogfight. The entire battle unfolded in the ether, avionics versus avionics, situational awareness versus saturation, doctrine versus delusion. The IAF’s pilots flew bravely, performed their roles with discipline, and tried everything they’d trained for: hugging terrain, using ground clutter, executing aggressive evasive maneuvers. But none of that matters when your radar sees ghosts and your missiles go blind. Their tactics were built for the Meteor, the MICA, the R-77, not the PL-15E, with its AESA seeker, dual-pulse motor, and LPI profile that never triggers your RWR. They were not defeated in the cockpit. They were defeated in the architecture.

Indian commentators blamed pilot error. A Chinese after-action paper was clearer: the DA-20 was the unsung hero of the electromagnetic battlefield. It alone could have blanked VHF Guard and VOR/DME simultaneously while spoofing GAGAN augmentation signals to nudge BrahMos missiles off-course and nullify S-400 intercepts. The jamming geometry pointed to a single airborne node. No one saw it. Everyone felt it.

What the May 7th battle revealed, brutally, is that air power is no longer about platform supremacy. The PAF fielded fewer aircraft. But it fielded doctrine. AEW+CEC+VLRAAM+EW is no longer theory. It is execution. And Yang Xianzhi’s thesis now stands confirmed: avionics supremacy renders dogfighting obsolete. Speed, range, stealth, none of it matters if you can’t see, can’t coordinate, and can’t escape.

The war was over before a missile crossed the LoC. India’s economy is four times Pakistan’s. Its fleet is numerically superior. It flies Rafales. It lost. Because it didn’t own the spectrum. Because it brought steel to an electronic battlefield. Because sovereignty isn’t about GDP. It’s about signal dominance.

Pakistan’s doctrine writers will cite this battle as proof that sovereignty is secured in kilohertz. That silence can be weaponized. That denial, not detonation, is the true signature of mastery. No. 24 Squadron landed last that morning, their engines spinning down beside hangars still bearing 1960s Canberra nose art.

They were jamming when India flew MiG-21s. They’ll still be jamming when Rafale upgrades roll off the Dassault line.
Great piece for those Indian members still in denial mode.
 
What I mean by soft target here, is that has India been coerced or influenced into taking Israeli adjacent positions?

Some of the language being used, seeks to frame Pakistan as if it were hamas.

Immediately after the tragic Kashmir attack, Indian media outlets were calling this their October event.

So therefore, soft target in this context means why does any part of India need to use a borrowed Israeli narrative, rather than their own?

That actually helps Israel, much more than it does India, as the Israeli narratives in any case is in the dirt these days

Tldr; does any of that make you pause for thought or concern
To get the attention of the all powerful west of course.

Who would care about 20 odd killed all the way here in India, otherwise ?

True about Israel, hard to back that sort of carnage, they've lost the plot.
 
Indian diaspora (as cheap labor) are kept till needed, and can be kicked out even after a hundred years. Examples: Uganda kicked out its Indian diaspora in the 1970s, and Hong Kong kicked out a large number of its Indian diaspora in the late 1990s. Earlier, Myanmar kicked out 90% of its Indian diaspora in late 1945-1946, and in another wave of expulsions in 1947.
The Sri Lankan Civil War has been closely watched by the GCC countries which is why the Indian diaspora rarely get citizenship and the citizenship rules have been made more stringent requiring a fluency and knowledge of classical Arabic.
The cheap Indian labor have no voting rights or say in the GCC power structure. All Indian guest workers are on 2 year renewable contracts and only reside there while fit to work. Once old age and illness sets in the work visas are cancelled and they are returned to India. This rotation is deliberate to prevent a family based population being established in those countries. If the Indian diaspora pose a threat to the culture and demographics of their host countries the GCC will expel them.


There is no need to bash the notion of Indian workers writ large, in my view that does not actually help Pakistan.

Pakistanis assuming to know Saudi motives must make the Saudis chuckle a lot, do day ever correct this notion, of course not.

It's better to understand, that if the Saudi has long time interests within India then you can also assume that the Indian excess population will have a similar presence in Saudi.

If India was the civilizational state it likes to think it is, suppose like China, then of course Indians would obviously look to go back to the motherland, alas many are actually grumbling about what they need to do to get a Saudi, or UAE, or qatari citizenship
 

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