Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Jazzbot]

They are all terrible, so why embrace a system like democracy, to replace one bunch of donkeys for another

We need a China style one party autocratic system, so they can force through change

We already has something way worst than what China has.

We have one man who decides almost everything in the country. He has unlimited God like powers in the country.

What more do you want?

 

[Corax]

what thef**k are you on about, I asked you to show the ceasefire agreement, and, all i here is, you asking me back


dude, bullshit you smeared in your face today, was it not fresh?!!!

No one has seen r ceasefire agreement!! That's the point I'm making that doesn't seem to be getting through your thick skull!! You're the one here peddling bullshit about not showing satellite pics because of some mythical ceasefire agreement, just like the bakht media in India.

 

[r3alist]

I am deep down an optimist. And I see a clear path for Pakistan to tap into the Arab world's street, which has turned against India since the Gaza conflict and are now in favor of Pakistan. And that street is not all that 'street', as I said. They have the time and the luxury to create 'content' and post in blogsphere, post comments to Twitter, YouTube etc to express their support for Pakistan and I bet they are in tens of millions. They are Pakistan's natural allies--allies which would help Pakistan when Pakistan will provide competent professionals, and in that regard, I believe the reforms under Musharraf in Pakistan's Higher Education system have borne some fruit.
But, unfortunately, as is common, too many people are stuck in the 'present' and not thinking about the 'future'. Much is changing rapidly in the geopolitics and public perception of nations. In case of Pakistan, its low point came in early 2010s but now it is India's low point starting last few years. Things change and it is good keep your fingers on the pulse of the changing world.

The Indian workforce presence, at least in some specific areas, I'm sure is very intentional and cannot be displaced.

The Arabs are highly sensitized to India Pakistani rivalries, therefore they are inherently suspicious of any attempts to influence them about the other. It's honestly better just to focus on yourselves internally, that is what the Pakistani army does and I think the Arab street appreciates a positive story and Islamic military success story for once, compared to the succession of disasters in the region. That respect is and from putting a strong emphasis of Pakistan first interests. The rest follows

 

[Path-Finder]

pardon my inglis sarr but hybrid warfare include political science.

maybe future Pakistan studies!

 

[Serendipity]

They held huge rallies in India in support of Palestine and against Israel's actions, you can check the pics.. massive crowds.

We are not the global police, why interfere in Ukraine/Gaza or wherever else ?

What have the neighboring Arabs done for Gaza ? Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria ? What has the only nuclear armed Islamic nation done for them ? What has China done ?

Sharma Ji let me first start by offering you my respect. It takes a high level of civility to hold a conversation in a hostile environment without giving in to the temptation to abuse. Your presence here enriches things and adds a much needed devils advocate. I think it is also a merit to the other forum members that everyone here ( largely) offers you decent respect and (occasionally begrudging) respect. I hope to see thst dynamic continue.

As for the above i think you should appreciate one thing, the principle proceeds the action. The lack of action is not a justification of lack of principles.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

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Another good one even though this Sawhney is tilted towards India but I must say sawhneys are the sanest people in India migrated from Pakistan.

What he is proposing India is already doing it for many years. BLA, TTP etc Trying to sanction Pakistan economically.

And now whole world geopolitics have changed. So sound like discussion from 2005, its likely when Sahni retired.

 

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Ha ha ...

 

[Meengla]

Perhaps, rather than trying to hide army influence, maybe it might be an idea to just go full army civilian hybrid in the open, by encouraging the army to extend any competence and technological expertise into the broader economy and therefore making them deeper stakeholders, after all many many companies have been found with an initial military purpose or military personnel, and it looks like the Pakistan army has some relevant and modern technological capabilities

It is already a brutal 'hybrid' system and I actually welcome that! And may it persist for the next 15-20 years. And the system has brilliantly given political bones to all major political parties to form a true 'hybrid' system.
BTW, the Pakistan military comes from Pakistan's lower and middle classes and represents a significant part of the Pakistan's major ethnic groups. It is NOT an alien army and is the first, the last and the only line of defense which Pakistan has. The perks of the higher ranking Generals are regrettable but they don't take away the professionalism, the efficiency, the patriotism, and indeed the cohesive bond the Pakistani military provides.
Pakistan Zindabad and Pakistan Army Zindabad!

 

[RescueRanger]

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[Path-Finder]

They are all terrible, so why embrace a system like democracy, to replace one bunch of donkeys for another

We need a China style one party autocratic system, so they can force through change

but the circus is orchestrated by the band masters, the head honcho decides to be demagogue(democrat) or dictator. which is subject to change as per the change of master. we have both at the moment, except the demagogue bit is fraudulent but the dictator bit is always genuine.

 

[Ali_Baba]

They are all terrible, so why embrace a system like democracy, to replace one bunch of donkeys for another

We need a China style one party autocratic system, so they can force through change

In China, the leader is elected from a pool of the brightest and best that the communist party can generate. Who will elect the leadership in Pakistan, what is the evolutionary framework to ensure that for a given system, the brightest, smartest and best rise to the top and can take on the challenge of leadership? Yes - China is not a democracy, but each leader has to prove their worth, and there is a very large talent pool. It is not like Pakistan where the pool is the "family and uncle network".

What is the talent pool for the leadership function of an autocratic style setup in Pakistan? How is this system formed? What is the leadership grooming and selection process for this proposed setup? Who will be the king maker and breaker? I am just curious - that is all.

( appreciate this is not relevant to this thread since it is political, but i wanted to add my thoughts ).

 

[RescueRanger]

What is the talent pool for the leadership function of an autocratic style setup in Pakistan? How is this system formed? What is the leadership grooming and selection process for this proposed setup?

That is what CSS was for - the entire CSS system needs to be deleted and remade. It promotes the wrong kind of people to BPS 17+

 

[Sharma Ji]

Thanks for your kind words @Serendipity

I dislike echo chambers so chose to be here and not of DFI, BR etc

ab ye dekhein:

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[Path-Finder]

In China, the leader is elected from a pool of the brightest and best that the communist party can generate. Who will elect the leadership in Pakistan, what is the evolutionary framework to ensure that for a given system, the brightest, smartest and best rise to the top and can take on the challenge of leadership? Yes - China is not a democracy, but each leader has to prove their worth, and there is a very large talent pool. It is not like Pakistan where the pool is the "family and uncle network".

What is the talent pool for the leadership function of an autocratic style setup in Pakistan? How is this system formed? What is the leadership grooming and selection process for this proposed setup?

( appreciate this is not relevant

With China's help Pakistan can become like Türkiye(for example) or Like North Korea. Since China has policy of not interfering inside internal matters. The current head honcho sees itself as a successor of Ayub, Musharraf, Zia so Pakistan is destined to become North Korea.