PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

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I would argue that isn’t true, J-10’s design incorporated conscious decisions that sacrificed internal fuel for other optimizations, amongst which the most significant being boosting drag/lift ratio especially in transonic/supersonic region. An unusually long overall length for a medium jet, fuselage necking over the delta wing in compliance with the area rule, anhedral wing root to maximize VG effect over wing but sacrifice wing tank volume, etc.
You can check the relevant data of J-10C.

As for the PLAAF, its recent preference for long ranged heavy fighters only came recently, as the development of A2/AD capability have removed the imminent threat of mass intrusion of enemy forces into the main land, so pretty much only the recent two decades. Keep in mind that well into the 1990s the PLA are still tinkering with light fighter designs like the J-12.
All our discussions of PLAAF fighters are based on the development and changes in the last 20 years. This is the default unless otherwise stated.
As for the Chinese Air Force 20 years ago, there are too many tragic stories, so we usually exclude them. Only when reviewing history will we specifically specify the timeline.
 
Just like my answer, you don't understand the meaning of these answers. In fact, you are still using Western thinking to analyze China's situation. This is bound to cause you a lot of doubts or criticisms.

General Western thinking logic:
The best way to promote arms trade is to create war and chaos. As for the general business rules such as the product quality of the weapons themselves, publicity and promotion, they are of little significance in the field of arms trade. And the huge arms trade is the best way to support and maintain the country's international influence.​
To put it bluntly. I put you in crisis through some indirect means. Then, my arms dealers will recommend corresponding weapons and equipment to you. If you buy my weapons and equipment, your crisis will soon be resolved. If you don't buy my weapons and equipment, I will let your government collapse and replace you with a government that is willing to obey. And the price of these weapons is several times the cost price.​
Competition in arms trade is actually a competition for influence among major powers, and it has little direct connection with the weapons themselves.​

China fully understands these rules and logic, but we are unwilling to use this method.

Chinese weapons are known for their low prices and good quality in the international market. China's military enterprises do not rely on the foreign trade market to make profits. The State-owned Assets Supervision and Administration Commission of the People's Republic of China does not consider their profit margins when evaluating the heads of these military enterprises. Therefore, they do not have much motivation to promote weapons and equipment in the international market.

Most of China's military enterprises are state-owned listed companies. If you understand Chinese, you can check the financial statements of many companies. Their arms foreign trade sector is basically unprofitable. They really make profits in the civilian product market.

For Western countries, arms trade is a political act. It is an important means for them to control other countries.
For China, arms trade is just a general business act. We have no interest in controlling the governments of other countries.
There is an essential difference between the two.

According to Western logic, Pakistan today will be completely controlled by the Chinese government. However, this is not the case.

As some Pakistani friends claim, China should give Pakistan more and more advanced weapons. I often remind them that there is a limit to these things. Once we cross this limit, Pakistan will no longer be Pakistan. This is not the result you want. Of course, we will not do this either.
agin ur answer is on a different tangent than the points I raised above.
All the things u mention above have nothing to do with the points I have raised above.
From the imperialistic/ militaristic polices adapted by the western powers, to their meddling in the affairs of different regions .....to the quality and price of Chinese arms..... none of this is of any relevance unless n until the Chinese address the points I have raised above.
 
印度空军阵风杀伤标记在巴基斯坦空军的一架 J10-C 上

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The PLAAF holds a "Golden Helmet" competition every year. In the end, 10 pilots will be awarded the title of "Golden Helmet" and a real golden helmet. This is the highest honor for PLAAF fighter pilots. It is also the admission ticket for China's ace pilots.

I suggest that we allow PAF pilots to participate in this competition as well.

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The PLAAF holds a "Golden Helmet" competition every year. In the end, 10 pilots will be awarded the title of "Golden Helmet" and a real golden helmet. This is the highest honor for PLAAF fighter pilots. It is also the admission ticket for China's ace pilots.

I suggest that we allow PAF pilots to participate in this competition as well.

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That's cool. Perhaps PAF should explore a local system similar to this, the 'green' or 'white' helmet or something.

The PLAAF is probably looking forward to their next interaction with the PAF. It's going to be a lot of things to talk about.
 
IAF Rafale kill mark on one of PAF's J10-C

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This is how it’s done. Not all the makings on one jet, it giving each platform that has a kill, its due.

Btw, SAAB just happened to post today on the Erieye, J-10s partner in this engagement.

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The PLAAF holds a "Golden Helmet" competition every year. In the end, 10 pilots will be awarded the title of "Golden Helmet" and a real golden helmet. This is the highest honor for PLAAF fighter pilots. It is also the admission ticket for China's ace pilots.

I suggest that we allow PAF pilots to participate in this competition as well.

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You sure you have enough golden Helmets? :P :) :D
 
Just like my answer, you don't understand the meaning of these answers. In fact, you are still using Western thinking to analyze China's situation. This is bound to cause you a lot of doubts or criticisms.

General Western thinking logic:
The best way to promote arms trade is to create war and chaos. As for the general business rules such as the product quality of the weapons themselves, publicity and promotion, they are of little significance in the field of arms trade. And the huge arms trade is the best way to support and maintain the country's international influence.​
To put it bluntly. I put you in crisis through some indirect means. Then, my arms dealers will recommend corresponding weapons and equipment to you. If you buy my weapons and equipment, your crisis will soon be resolved. If you don't buy my weapons and equipment, I will let your government collapse and replace you with a government that is willing to obey. And the price of these weapons is several times the cost price.​
Competition in arms trade is actually a competition for influence among major powers, and it has little direct connection with the weapons themselves.​

China fully understands these rules and logic, but we are unwilling to use this method.

Chinese weapons are known for their low prices and good quality in the international market. China's military enterprises do not rely on the foreign trade market to make profits. The State-owned Assets Supervision and Administration Commission of the People's Republic of China does not consider their profit margins when evaluating the heads of these military enterprises. Therefore, they do not have much motivation to promote weapons and equipment in the international market.

Most of China's military enterprises are state-owned listed companies. If you understand Chinese, you can check the financial statements of many companies. Their arms foreign trade sector is basically unprofitable. They really make profits in the civilian product market.

For Western countries, arms trade is a political act. It is an important means for them to control other countries.
For China, arms trade is just a general business act. We have no interest in controlling the governments of other countries.
There is an essential difference between the two.

According to Western logic, Pakistan today will be completely controlled by the Chinese government. However, this is not the case.

As some Pakistani friends claim, China should give Pakistan more and more advanced weapons. I often remind them that there is a limit to these things. Once we cross this limit, Pakistan will no longer be Pakistan. This is not the result you want. Of course, we will not do this either.
non - interference policy will go to hell one day, everything need to be under control in our benefits.
Moreover, I am a staunch opponent of arms technology transfer. If you want Chinese weapons and money, you must stand firmly with China.
 
You sure you have enough golden Helmets? :P :) :D
What do you mean?

The Golden Helmet is not a helmet made of gold, it is a helmet of gold (color). It is an honor. Only 10 people can get this honor every year. However, one person can get it repeatedly. There are many ace pilots in the PLAAF who have multiple Golden Helmets.

The Golden Helmet is mainly for tactical confrontation. It is divided into multiple confrontation modes such as same-type confrontation, same-level cross-type confrontation, and cross-level confrontation.

Only fighter pilots who get the Golden Helmet are eligible to enter higher-level fighter tactical training courses. This is the entrance ticket for Chinese ace pilots, not the end.

The content of systematic confrontation is not in the Golden Helmet competition. It belongs to another level of competition. The Golden Helmet competition emphasizes the individual ability of the pilot.
 
What do you mean?

The Golden Helmet is not a helmet made of gold, it is a helmet of gold (color). It is an honor. Only 10 people can get this honor every year. However, one person can get it repeatedly. There are many ace pilots in the PLAAF who have multiple Golden Helmets.

The Golden Helmet is mainly for tactical confrontation. It is divided into multiple confrontation modes such as same-type confrontation, same-level cross-type confrontation, and cross-level confrontation.

Only fighter pilots who get the Golden Helmet are eligible to enter higher-level fighter tactical training courses. This is the entrance ticket for Chinese ace pilots, not the end.

The content of systematic confrontation is not in the Golden Helmet competition. It belongs to another level of competition. The Golden Helmet competition emphasizes the individual ability of the pilot.
It was a pun/joke, implicitly saying PAF pilots will take all the helmets leaving nothing for PLAAF pilots. <-- Take this explanation as a joke as well, my friend :)
 
This is how it’s done. Not all the makings on one jet, it giving each platform that has a kill, its due.

Btw, SAAB just happened to post today on the Erieye, J-10s partner in this engagement.

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I think this is one aspect of May 7th that needs more discussion.

2019 and May 7th were great adverts for Erieye too, something not lost on the Swedes and Saab.

Erieye did great job both times. Data linked and guided our fighters and possibly even guided PL-15s to target. All using Pak link 17.

That is a great sales story for any country wanting to use its own national data links and integrate assets from different sources.

Countries like Egypt, Algeria, Morrcco, Iraq, Qatar, Azerbaijan, Malaysia and Indonesia must be seriously considering this now. Saudis, Emeratis, Brazilians, Greeks, Thais, already operate it. Even if performance is not as good as E-7, it is not far off and with E-7 US will not allow foreign data link integration.
 
That's cool. Perhaps PAF should explore a local system similar to this, the 'green' or 'white' helmet or something.

The PLAAF is probably looking forward to their next interaction with the PAF. It's going to be a lot of things to talk about.
Ever heard of the title "Sher Afgan"?
 
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