Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[r3alist]

Bloomberg, taking a big interest here.

For those, who can look beyond bullets missiles and guns with respect to defense may infer more import.

For those only thinking about bullets missiles and guns carry on....

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[r3alist]

After Modi's extremist policy was exposed to the Western world and untimely aggression imposed on Pakistan in the presence of JD Vence in India and was also semi endorsement from US top officials. Now he wants some good known international name to manage anti Pak campaign .... but will these Congress members support and endorse Modi's policy in front of Western govts or media !!!!!!!!!!!!
But, it seems Modi and RSS are all alone in this fight against Pakistan. .....

I have a bit of cough in my throat, right now...
Ahem.
But, now might be the time to keep talking modi up as someone to fear....

 

[Yasser76]

@SoulSpokesman, I was not making a cheap jab in that case, but obviously the JF is up and running and the tejas is not, so on relative terms Pakistan would have a much more attractive proposition to any nation that might be interested in purchasing aircraft.

and naturally India would seek to undermine and undercut any strengthening of the paf image, but I don't see how they can possibly do this so there may be a good window for the paf right now to make hay while the sun shines. If they have the time for it of course.


@Yasser76 , I actually think the case for really focusing on delivering the tejas is even more strengthened, what other options really are left for India outside of American vassel hood. This of course depends, on India's regional stance, if it has insisted on perpetual skirmishes with Pakistan, and hostility to China then they have immediate needs they must fulfill.

therefore will always be chasing their tail in terms of developing the most serious indigenous capabilities.

Ultimately, and of course not that anyone let alone a lay person like me needs to say, is that the paf should continue to work hard on maintaining the technological edge. The proof of concept, and investment with Chinese doctrine has been more than validated, which exactly has been noted by Indonesia.

so it's now for once quite a nice position to be in for Pakistan, where they have access to real cutting edge technology, calibrated to an effective doctrine and optimised with real proven battle experience.

So, I called it a bit earlier, stop looking primarily for Western commentary and look East, Indonesia is a very important and serious country

Yeah. India is now facing a big air power dillema.

It does need a combined network of integrated systems, EW, datalinks, drones, SAMS, AEW, Cyber etc but it has equipment from Russia, US, Israel, France and India. This will be impossible. Even Pak had to relegate Mirages and F-16s so JF-17s and J-10s could work seamlessly in our envoironment.

India has two choices now I think.

First it can totally Indianise it's complete ecosystem. Like China. US kit cannot be altered so it would have to rely on just Indian equipment with maybe French and Russian platforms (assuming they allow source codes). Then you can see Indian AEW, SAMS, EW drones and datalinks and fleets of say Tejas MK2 and AMCA. This could give them quite a formidable Indian system. Will take a lot of time and money and will not be ready for at least 15 years

Secondly, they could do what RAF and RAAF have done and basically create a mini USAF. P-8s, E-7s, F-35s, THAAD, Patriots, Reapers, Growlers etc.

This would be very very expensive but could be dowm within 6-7 year time period and of course make Trump happy.

The current approach of buying the occasional new system depending on poltics, money and prestige and hoping somehow it integrates with everything else simply does not work (Ask the Spyder SAM crew that shot down a MI-17V).

IAF needs both a reform of it's strategy and approach to air warfare. I am unsure the current leadership within the IAF and the PM of India are capable of this

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@r3alist bro,

I was not making a cheap jab in that case,

I know. Our jet fighter programme is a mess and everyone knows it.

My point was actually what I stated. Let us play to our strengths and not our weaknesses.

Regards

 

[baqai]

he should be added to the top three if not top five, there are people from whom apologies should not be accepted, they are snakes ....

Also that retired major whose only motive in life so to earn $''sss by using PTI and IK's face and creating click bait titles for his videos

 

[Vapnope]

I hope some people have finally opened their eyes to what kind of people Moeed Pirzada, Adil Raja, Imran Riaz and Siddiq Jan are. If you still can't see it, good luck to you.

 

[Watandar]

Bloomberg, taking a big interest here.

For those, who can look beyond bullets missiles and guns with respect to defense may infer more import.

For those only thinking about bullets missiles and guns carry on....

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Frankly i am annoyed at the line taken by foreign media from the recent war, which is all about Chinese tech and future Chinese arms sales and Taiwan!! The collaboration between China and Pakistan and the way a small country like Pakistan defied a huge power like India and forced it to stop its aggression, is being waved off The Chinese in a lab could not have pulled any of this off themselves.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Tejas could be interceptor, or fighter escort and ground attack to be used within India. We still have a violent group of jungle commies, and some troublemakers in the north east.. marine patrol hawai coast guard duty pe bhi skte ho.

Bechara Tejas, wasn't even part of this thing and being maligned by everyone

 

[RescueRanger]

Tejas could be interceptor, or fighter escort and ground attack to be used within India. We still have a violent group of jungle commies, and some troublemakers in the north east.. marine patrol hawai coast guard duty pe bhi skte ho.

Bechara Tejas, wasn't even part of this thing and being maligned by everyone

Don't be sad Sharma Ji, I am sure India's flying samosa will have its debut someday.

 

[RescueRanger]

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[Sharma Ji]

Don't be sad Sharma Ji, I am sure India's flying samosa will have its debut someday.

Its a nice little fighter, our gorments eff'd up taking all these decades.. bureaucratic chakkar me maara gaya.

Light attack, point defence, interceptor, fighter trainer, naval coast guard.. there are openings for it I imagine.

 

[RescueRanger]

Its a nice little fighter, our gorments eff'd up taking all these decades.. bureaucratic chakkar me maara gaya.

Light attack, point defence, interceptor, fighter trainer, naval coast guard.. there are openings for it I imagine.

It's made in India so no one can deny its a sign of indigenous expertise. One should never downplay hard efforts. But it may be dated by the time it actually enters service in any significant numbers.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Sadly to survive in or out in India some sane people start acting like high on cow cola like Karan Thapar and Dhruv Rathee.

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Haqqani is quite useless fellow. Didnt once mentioned Indian sponsored terrorism in Pakistan.

 

[r3alist]

Yeah. India is now facing a big air power dillema.

It does need a combined network of integrated systems, EW, datalinks, drones, SAMS, AEW, Cyber etc but it has equipment from Russia, US, Israel, France and India. This will be impossible. Even Pak had to relegate Mirages and F-16s so JF-17s and J-10s could work seamlessly in our envoironment.

India has two choices now I think.

First it can totally Indianise it's complete ecosystem. Like China. US kit cannot be altered so it would have to rely on just Indian equipment with maybe French and Russian platforms (assuming they allow source codes). Then you can see Indian AEW, SAMS, EW drones and datalinks and fleets of say Tejas MK2 and AMCA. This could give them quite a formidable Indian system. Will take a lot of time and money and will not be ready for at least 15 years

Secondly, they could do what RAF and RAAF have done and basically create a mini USAF. P-8s, E-7s, F-35s, THAAD, Patriots, Reapers, Growlers etc.

This would be very very expensive but could be dowm within 6-7 year time period and of course make Trump happy.

The current approach of buying the occasional new system depending on poltics, money and prestige and hoping somehow it integrates with everything else simply does not work (Ask the Spyder SAM crew that shot down a MI-17V).

IAF needs both a reform of it's strategy and approach to air warfare. I am unsure the current leadership within the IAF and the PM of India are capable of this

You see, with planning and time, there is no reason why India cannot achieve an appropriate, potent and actually helpful military doctrine

But, their insistence on needing to be seen as a superpower, a civilizational state that can create anything just as good as any other nation, will cannibalize or cripple their ability to deliver

Therefore, to really understand what might happen, look at the prevalent bureaucracy and ideology that's being discussed, that's what they have to deliver.

My suspicion, early suspicion, is that the modi avatar will be dissolved, with outside help, Congress who will represent a clean ideological break will come into power and they will naturally align to American prompts, which then will probably lead to significant American military purchases. It's Congress by the way who are representing India on the global stage to prosecute against Pakistan

The main advantage here Pakistan has, that might well keep it intact, is that we are now in a non-linear age, of nonlinear force multipliers and in a military sense Pakistan is higher up the curve and needs to continue to accelerate up the curve, but only in a military sense and only in a specific context.


India, is using lawfare, diplomacy, propaganda as it's intended nonlinear force multipliers

If let's say, the Indians now do get hold of American equipment, well that would then reduce Pakistan's military technology edge and then India's other force multipliers will be more impactful.

Again, missiles rockets bullets sure ....but look how India has been able to suspend the iwt, has been able to propagandise against Pakistan in any way it wants and it gets a hearing


The west is basically prompting India to say sure you can suspend the iwt, no major problems, sure you can bring up Pakistan and terrorism as much as you want, but you need to also get our weapons


Anyway, back to missile's.....

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Frankly i am annoyed at the line taken by foreign media from the recent war, which is all about Chinese tech and future Chinese arms sales and Taiwan!! The collaboration between China and Pakistan and the way a small country like Pakistan defied a huge power like India and forced it to stop its aggression, is being waved off The Chinese in a lab could not have pulled any of this off themselves.

West only care about how their weapons will work against China, duh