PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

Modern fighter jets have many functional subdivisions. Often, the air forces of large countries will have different fighters with different functions, and they form a large formation of fighters that work in concert with each other.
Smaller air forces, on the other hand, usually have trouble affording such a large expenditure, and they favor multi-mission fighters.

For example: the IAF's Rafale is a typical multi-mission fighter. In fact, most of the European countries prefer multi-mission fighters.
The same is true for the PAF; the J-10C was originally an air superiority fighter, but its foreign trade version (PAF version) became a multi-mission fighter. I personally don't agree with this choice of PAF. I think PAF should have opted for a purely air superiority version of the J-10CE.

Being able to do everything also means not being able to do anything best.

However, PAF has opted for a multi-mission version of the J-10CE. Well, when PAF is procuring the J-35, I hope they go for the pure air superiority version to form a combination with the multi-mission version of the J-10CE.


All 5G fighters are very expensive to maintain. It's a price that has to be paid.

China can do it:
Same class of fighters, we have the lowest price.
Same price fighter, we have the best performance.


The two threads on J-35 in the PDF are very detailed and accurate. I suggest you go back and read about it before making a judgment.
For engine reliability, I was mainly talking from the pov of metallurgy.
The superalloy element ratios, West has been working since 1940's...nothing to downplay, but China developed its turbofans from reverse engineering Russian turbofans, and reverse engineering cannot give the jealously guarded ratio for single crystal superalloys.
It is a known fact that GE, Saffron, Rolls Royce, PW, engines are superior.
 
These are universal values of all of humanity.... nothing exclusive to china .... problem with Chinese is that they believe their shit doesn't stink .
What’s your problem with China? Reality is without China’s help and regardless of false bravado might not be much of a Pakistan left. Hell of a lot to thank them for, nothing to be ridiculing them for.
 
Stealth aircraft is a totally different ball game.
Airframe Composites, RAM, Engine, all new for PAF. They also never operated twin engine before, and as final engine for J-35A not fully designed/certified, ws15/15/19 tbo ~ ≥ 800 ≤ 1500 hrs, service life ~ 3000/4000 hrs max?? Not bad, comparable to rd93.

It will be an expensive package but also a good learning experience and to align with Chinese technologies in engine metallurgy and Airframe technologies.

China will give good discount. We battle tested their weapons against wishwaguru superpower/pun intended. This will deter any delusion west have to attack China.

PAF killing of Rafale alone have increased demand of Chinese aircrafts by 100x.
 
Hi,

Son--I am 68 years old---. I don't know any online fanboys or the likes---but am disappointed at your such shallow outlook---.

My reference is books---books and lots of books for which---you have to go to the libraries & book stores & when I lived in pakistan---on Zaib un Nisa street sidewalks in karachi on sunday looking for subject matter displayed on the sidewalks or to the used book stores in Nursery Karachi---defense related articles---and then having to ability to retain & recall what you read and what you learnt and put the pieces together.

You know what a Library is---library is something that most pakistanis are not used to going to---.

Please put me on your IGNORE list lest I may upset you.
Hi,

And when I came to the US in early 80's---I hit the jackpot---THRIFT STORES---where you could go to the book section and buy many a recent used books or well read books just for 25 cent, 50 cents and in the 90's for a dollar---.

It was a book lover's heaven---.
 
We need a jet or a long range bomber that can use stand-off weapons from our soil and hit Indian airbases. Do you suggest any jet or bomber that will do that for us? I know Chinese have so many jets. There must be solution as well. I think during recent mini war, we realized that we can’t target their airbases. In 2019, mirages was used for stand-off weapons but whether they crossed the border or not is not known. This time, we haven’t seen mirages using stand-off. It means we are going deep inside Pakistan and avoiding nearby border areas because of the range of Indian missiles. Same is true for iaf as well. Some of them came closer to border and were targeted by Paf. Problem is still there. How to target Indian airbases using stand-off ? Which jet and which stand-off weapon because you need greater range because of going deep in order to avoid a lock on.
Not airforce though but I can think of a system that India has no answer for atm,
the PHL-191 modular MRLS, equipped with 370mm rocket and 750mm bm flying at five to six Mach with range 500km at least similar to Russian Iskander, together with drone, sat or other surveillance means, it will bring havock upon Indian on both stationary and time sensitive targets.

It's a perfect option for the army to have deep strike capability, currently being mass produced in China.

@Panzerkiel Can you shed some light on if Pak army is suitable for such system?
 
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Glide Fab 3000 = 90 km range

Can be deployed with extreme jamming of the adversary


Of course guidance system and range can be improved further.

Cheap to manufacture.
 
2026? You're too optimistic. My prediction is 2028 to 2030.

To be honest, it is not in Pakistan's interest to get 5G fighters before India.

I agree. We don't even need J35. J10CE, Jf17 block 3s and F16s are enough for Pakistan till India inducts 5th generation planes. I say Paf will induct it around 2030 - 2032, depending on the situation.
 
I agree. We don't even need J35. J10CE, Jf17 block 3s and F16s are enough for Pakistan till India inducts 5th generation planes. I say Paf will induct it around 2030 - 2032, depending on the situation.
IMO, PAF's first priority should be the replacement of the Mirage's and the F-7PG's before going for 5G aircraft
 
I agree. We don't even need J35. J10CE, Jf17 block 3s and F16s are enough for Pakistan till India inducts 5th generation planes. I say Paf will induct it around 2030 - 2032, depending on the situation.
I disagree, airforce is the only place that Pakistan can just spend relatively less money on a dozen jets and making a huge impact by controlling the sky of South Asia, when you have air superiority, you don't have to worry about a full fledge war with boots on the ground.
 
No one on this forum disputes that “Pakistan will get the J-35”. This is a view recognized by all.
The point of contention here is timing and quantity.



When are you guys going to realize this?

It's the free stuff that's the most expensive stuff!
"No such thing as free lunch" - Classical Economics
 
Wouldn't the J10C being an air superiority fighter vs being multi-mission depend entirely on the specific load-out used for the particular type of mission?
In what sense did it become a multi-mission fighter from air superiority, what inherent specs were changed? Radar?
Air Superiority Fighter vs. Multi-Mission Fighter. There are many differences in the design phase.
1, Air Superiority Fighter places more emphasis on fighter-fighter combat. They focus more on air maneuverability, flight speed and flight altitude. Weight-carrying capability, low-altitude combat capability, and ground-to-sea search capability are not their focus.
2, The ground/sea attack fighters emphasize more on load capacity, maximum range, low altitude combat capability and radar search capability on the ground and sea.
A general knowledge: air-to-air missiles are usually much lighter than air-to-ground missiles.
The multi-mission fighter seeks more of a balanced capability. It seeks a balance between air, land and sea combat requirements.

Although PAF's J-10CE is positioned as a multi-mission fighter, its original design, the J-10C, is an air superiority fighter. When the PAF's J-10CE takes on the IAF's Rafale, the J-10C's advanced air superiority gene that the J-10C brings to the J-10CE will give it a strong advantage.
However, in terms of multi-mission capability, the J-10CE cannot match the Rafale in any way. This is also due to innate genetics.

Is any Chinese jet using/tested/currently developed with 2D nozzle like that of F35? @Deino
Currently, there are many TVC technology research papers and invention patents exposed in China. Including many kinds of 3D TVC technology and 2D TVC technology.
At present, only J-10B TVC adopts 3D TVC technology for the actual exposed fighter jet. (Excluding the two latest toys)

For engine reliability, I was mainly talking from the pov of metallurgy.
The superalloy element ratios, West has been working since 1940's...nothing to downplay, but China developed its turbofans from reverse engineering Russian turbofans, and reverse engineering cannot give the jealously guarded ratio for single crystal superalloys.
It is a known fact that GE, Saffron, Rolls Royce, PW, engines are superior.
I'm glad you have a professional perspective. This is very rare for Pakistanis.

But you seem to lack some knowledge of the latest developments in technology.

In the field of turbofan engines, China is indeed a latecomer. The West and Russia are years ahead in this field. As you said, China has also been learning and researching from western countries and Russia in this field for many years.

However, in recent years, China has made very rapid progress in this area. It is no exaggeration to say that we have surpassed our former teacher Russia. At present, our overall level in the field of turbofan engines is on a par with that of western countries. China's current WS-15, WS-19 and WS-20 are no longer “clone projects”. At the level of individual sub-specialties, we have begun to surpass Western countries.

For example: You mentioned high temperature alloys.
China, nowadays, is actually the world's leading exporter of high temperature alloys at the moment, accounting for about 1/3 to 1/2 of the global percentage. a large portion of the high temperature alloy blades of these engine companies you mentioned (GE, Saffron, Rolls Royce, PW) are made in China.
We have successfully developed niobium alloys. Its performance far exceeds that of all the high-temperature alloys now used in turbofan engines around the world.
The problem with it is that it is currently difficult to produce on a large scale. Because, we are doing this research work in the Tiangong space station. We are currently unable to realize this research on the ground. However, Chinese scientists are working on it. China's future engines are expected to fully utilize this new alloy.
 
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what a lousy photoshop job!
Not photoshop. Green painted prototype has bee around for sometime now. The news is fake though.

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@Deino are you ok?

What's the point of picking on Deino?
There is no doubt that the tweet you retweeted is a 100% fake. It just exaggerates a bunch of people's basic consensus.

1, FC-31/J-35 foreign trade version. It was initially positioned for export to international markets. Pakistan is the biggest customer of Chinese military industry. There is no doubt in anyone's mind that “PAF will get it”.

2, We only analyze and judge its arrival time in Pakistan based on reality. In this regard, there is some controversy. Your original tweet describing “within 2 years” is a vague concept, which is in line with the expectations of most rational people, including me and Deino.

3. Again. There is no J-35AE! The current official press release implies that its export code is still “FC-31”. the J-35A is a PLAAF own-use version, not for export. All claims that PAF will get J-35AE can be considered as fake news.
 

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