PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

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MastanKhan said:
At about the 4:30 mark and onwards---very important comment---.
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I watched half the video and couldn't stand his bullshit. So I turned it off.

In China, most of these “experts” are known to the public and often appear in the media. The term “expert” here is a pejorative term. The real experts are usually not known by the public, let alone appearing in the media. I don't know what the situation is like in the Western world or in Pakistan, but it is like that in China.

The “Mr. Gao” in the video is such an “expert”. He is just an internet celebrity touted by some capital forces and some mysterious NGOs. He may know a lot about international politics, but he knows nothing about professional matters in the field of military defense.
He is very well versed in “network traffic codes”. He knows what to say to cause orgasms among ordinary people and the media. But if we knew a little more about military and defense expertise, we would know that what he says is shit.
 
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How China Helped Build Pakistan’s Air Power​

Pakistan Air Force News by Bilal Khan

Bilal Khan​

One of the headlining stories of the recent Indo-Pak Conflict from May 7-10 2025 was the apparent success of the Pakistan Air Force’s (PAF) Chinese-origin fighter aircraft. This notably included the Chengdu J-10CE and, to a lesser extent, the JF-17C Block-3. The latter is a joint-venture between the Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) and Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC).

In addition, both the J-10CE and JF-17C were armed with the PL-15E long-range air-to-air missile (LRAAM). The PAF claimed it used this weapon to apparently down five Indian Air Force (IAF) fighter aircraft. These reportedly included several Dassault Rafales, among the IAF’s latest combat aircraft and a premier European fighter offering.
If the J-10CE and PL-15E combination performed as the PAF claims, implications could be globally significant. China would earn the coveted “proven in combat” badge, potentially attracting key defence markets. These markets, like Algeria, Iraq, and Egypt, often struggle to access cutting-edge Western systems and are also Russian customers. Pakistan’s experience could help Beijing expand its industry’s footprint in these key markets.

From a technical standpoint, such purported results could concern the U.S., which views China as a threat in the Asia Pacific. China’s export systems are typically some years behind what the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) operates. Regardless of the J-10CE and PL-15E’s performance in the Indo-Pak conflict, PLA equipment will generally leverage newer technology. Thus, any Pakistani success is a concern for the US in the Pacific; however, any failing may not be highly consequential, as Pakistani technology does not reflect China’s most advanced capabilities.

Neither the PAF nor the IAF’s kill-tallies have been concretely verified. However, photos purporting to show wreckage of each country’s aircraft are being shared on social media, and examined by open-source intelligence (OSINT) observers globally.

Ultimately, only the PAF and IAF will truly know their own aircraft losses. They are unlikely to ever clearly admit to any.

The public kill tally is irrelevant in this context. If PAF Air Headquarters (AHQ) is genuinely satisfied with its Chinese equipment’s performance – be it the J-10CE, JF-17C, HQ-9BE SAM, HQ-16FE SAM, radars, or electronic warfare (EW) systems – it will deepen its partnership with the Chinese industry.

China Will Get Valuable Real-World Data​

From this brief but intense conflict, the PAF and the Pakistani military generally have generated valuable real-world data. This data stems from each of its mainstay fighter aircraft (i.e., J-10CE and JF-17), its SAMs, its EW systems, and its wide assortment of short- and long-range radars.

These systems dealt with scenarios China will need to prepare for. Such scenarios include the advent of enemy supersonic-cruising missiles, loitering munitions, and large air formations or deployments.

Pakistan’s ‘nodes’ – such as fighters and SAMs – will also offer valuable insight into both the success and potential drawbacks of these systems.

For example, while Pakistan’s air defence system seemingly intercepted a number of BrahMos supersonic-cruising missiles (SSCM), some still penetrated and damaged PAF facilities, including air bases nested relatively deep in Pakistan’s interior, like Shahbaz Air Base in Jacobabad and Bholari Air Base in Sindh. If these SSCMs had been fired at a much larger scale and with greater intensity, there is little doubt that they could have potentially wrecked significant damage onto the PAF and, in turn, Pakistan’s ability to field air power for both defensive and offensive purposes.

The data will help both the PAF and its Chinese industry partners understand the risks posed by large-scale Indian SSCM deployment. This could, in turn, potentially result in original solutions that are both improved in stated performance and better optimized for Pakistan’s unique threat environment.
 
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Hendarto said:
India refused entry to the Dassault audit team
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That request must be part of the formal contract specification that is in place between India and France for how equipment is stored, used and more importantly protected too. They may well be able to argue within the terms of the contract that since operations for Operation Sindoor are still ongoing, they cannot provide that access, or information.

France and Dassault for sure, both want to know what happened as it affects the security of France and also affects the commercial interest of Dassault as well. India would do well to understand the concerns of both, outside of its own desire to control/achieve whatever it thinks it is currently attempting to do.
 
Michael said:
I watched half the video and couldn't stand his bullshit. So I turned it off.

In China, most of these “experts” are known to the public and often appear in the media. The term “expert” here is a pejorative term. The real experts are usually not known by the public, let alone appearing in the media. I don't know what the situation is like in the Western world or in Pakistan, but it is like that in China.

The “Mr. Gao” in the video is such an “expert”. He is just an internet celebrity touted by some capital forces and some mysterious NGOs. He may know a lot about international politics, but he knows nothing about professional matters in the field of military defense.
He is very well versed in “network traffic codes”. He knows what to say to cause orgasms among ordinary people and the media. But if we knew a little more about military and defense expertise, we would know that what he says is shit.
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Hi,

Thank you---I would like to hear your input about what is happening in Taiwan---?
 
RafaleSlayer said:
Taiwanese are producing a lot of bricks realizing more than ever that US promises (Look at Ukraine) and US weapons are not going to protect them from a Chinese onslaught.
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Hi,

Ukraine stalemate happened because Putin did not listen to his generals---.

Taiwan would be a 24-48 hours decisive battle if it came to that---.
 
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MastanKhan said:
Hi,

Ukraine stalemate happened because Putin did not listen to his generals---.

Taiwan would be a 24-48 hours decisive battle if it came to that---.
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Taiwan is much smaller than China compared to between Ukraine and Russia. It's not even close.
 
MastanKhan said:
Hi,

Americans have a saying---not a good one---" like the smell of their own sh-it"---. That is what happened with the indians---.

Rafale---with a 859 TR module GAS aesa radar and compare it to a 1250 TR module GAN aesa radar on the J10 CE ( please correct me )---.

Rumor had it that even the JF17 BLK3 aesa radar had a range of around 200 km whereas the range of the Rafale radar came upto 120Km---.

All promises and no substance---.

But @wanglaokan tell me about what is happening in Taiwan since the last few days---?
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Lai Qingde recently showed goodwill to the mainland, mainly for the following reasons: - Pressure from public opinion on the island: Lai Qingde has made no achievements in developing the economy and people's livelihood in the past year since he took office, but he is obsessed with manipulating the "anti-China and anti-China" card, which has led to a more divided Taiwanese society and severe economic problems, such as insufficient power supply. Many polls show that more than half of the people are dissatisfied with his performance in handling cross-strait relations, and his trust and satisfaction with his governing performance have dropped significantly, and even a "death cross" has appeared. The Kuomintang and the People's Party are also preparing to launch a recall operation. He needs to appease voters and ease dissatisfaction by showing goodwill. - Pressure from the external situation: The mainland has taken a series of powerful countermeasures against the "Taiwan independence" forces, which has effectively deterred the separatist forces seeking "independence" on the island, making Lai Qingde's authorities feel pressure. At the same time, external forces such as the United States may also put pressure on or hint at it to a certain extent, requiring it to take a more moderate attitude on cross-strait relations to avoid excessive tension in the Taiwan Strait and affect regional stability. - Consideration of his own political interests: Lai Ching-te hopes to temporarily ease cross-strait relations by showing goodwill, reduce the mainland's countermeasures against his "Taiwan independence" actions, and gain more political living space for himself and the DPP authorities to maintain their ruling position in Taiwan. It should be pointed out that while Lai Ching-te is showing so-called "goodwill", he still insists on the separatist position of "Taiwan independence". His established strategy of "relying on the United States" and "relying on Japan" to seek "independence" has not changed. The release of "goodwill" is probably just a stopgap measure to cover up his "separatist" nature and deceive the people on the island and the international community.
 
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