POST WAR assessment of recent conflict.

[j_hungary]

I'd generally agree with this premise. However if the enemy is able to win crucial key battles, knocking out significant military forces, then I think it would be an even playing field. Or there's the other option of wearing an enemy down i.e. the losses are too great to carry on with their aims.

The old concept is, you make them hurt and they won't do it to you. That's a lot easier said than done, the question here is, how you make them hurt.

That's the deterrence factor in this entire thing, putting China and Pakistan nuke aside, what is the factor Pakistan can offer to deter India, I am not making this in a rude kind of way, but it's time for you to take stock and see how you can achieve the way the Ukrainian make Russian hurt in their own invasion. The fact to the matter is, India know China support Pakistan, and Pakistan had nuke, I mean they aren't stupid, but they decided to do this anyway, now either this is one time rouge general doing crazy thing without prior authorisation, that would be easy, but if they knew China support you and you have nuke and they still do that? In Military and Geopolitical term means they don't believe of that deterrence anymore, otherwise they wouldn't have done it.

Military solution is one of the ways to deal with this, but this is not going to be the only way, again, what I said previously would ring true, because if you fight an all-out war, unless you can make sure it end the way you wanted at the time you wanted, if this going on indefinitely, that will ultimately favor India. Now again, how you can make sure that happen, now that's the million-dollar question.

 

[MastanKhan]

Is there an actual point in this?

Or is it some kind of ra-ra I am better than ye sort of argument?

Again, I look at stuff directly and without emotion, I don't support either side, even I supported Ukraine, I don't see them fighting a running war with Russia IN RUSSIA will lead to anything good. And that's just how the power of play comes to.

Again, if you want to further discuss how or what or in what way Pakistan can fight a war with India, I am more than welcome to discuss with you with facts, example and history and with my knowledge and expertise as an US Army O-3 with operation and planning experience, but not this Nationalistic Ra-Ra BS.

Respectable Sir,.

You knowledge of military operations went out the window in the first 5 minutes of the war as did all the myths created by the west as well---.

This is indo - pak war scenario where your western war scenarios or analysis don't come into force---.

In this case here neither the indian air force commander wanted to fight---nor the indian naval admiral wanted to fight---.

They simply and plainly refusedto carry on---.

If they would have---there would have been a 100-150 IAF fighter in the dust---in the first 24 hours and the INS VIKRANT kissing the bed of the arabian seas---.

The buildup of our war machine over the last decade has put us ahead of the indians in every field---be it air force---navy or the land forces---.

This CYCLE OF DEVELOPMENT & FORCE ENHANCEMENT has put pak military technology wise ahead of indian military in man material and wares on the 24 HOUR CLOCK HANDS---.

It will take decades for IAF to get out of this psychological smashed up psyche---.

They will never trust any foreign weapons when they come up against pakistan.

Amazingly---the western saying wh0msoever rules the air controls war---has suddenly disappeared---why---because it is pakistan---.

After its air force got smashed---the fight went out of its army & navy---it is right ion fornt of everyone's face---.

How would india fight a protracted war without a potent air force---.

It will run out of missiles in 2-3 days---. China will strike and take over the disputed territories as well as taiwan within 48-72 hours---.

This game has changed---. It has changed so fast that east west and australia as well are in a shock---.

Chinese weapons mixed with pakistani equipment has wreaked havoc on a superior force---that force is no more---.

Now the superior force is chinese and pakistani---.

You need to go to a different school of learning---.

Forget about pakistan & india---you need to be worried about China and australia---.

With the americans having put you in your place and you have no UNCLE to run to---how does that feel to be unsecure and at the mercy of chinese weapons---?

That is what you ought to be concerned about.

 

[j_hungary]

Respectable Sir,.

You knowledge of military operations went out the window in the first 5 minutes of the war as did all the myths created by the west as well---.

This is indo - pak war scenario where your western war scenarios or analysis don't come into force---.

In this case here neither the indian air force commander wanted to fight---nor the indian naval admiral wanted to fight---.

They simply and plainly refusedto carry on---.

If they would have---there would have been a 100-150 IAF fighter in the dust---in the first 24 hours and the INS VIKRANT kissing the bed of the arabian seas---.

The buildup of our war machine over the last decade has put us ahead of the indians in every field---be it air force---navy or the land forces---.

This CYCLE OF DEVELOPMENT & FORCE ENHANCEMENT has put pak military technology wise ahead of indian military in man material and wares on the 24 HOUR CLOCK HANDS---.

It will take decades for IAF to get out this psychological smash up---.

They will never trust any foreign weapons when they come up against pakistan.

Amazingly---the western saying wh0msoever rules the air controls war---has suddenly disappeared---why---because it is pakistan---.

After its air force got smashed---the fight went out of its army & navy---it is right ion fornt of everyone's face---.

How would india fight a protracted war without a potent air force---.

It will run out of missiles in 2-3 days---. China will strike and take over the disputed territories as well as taiwan within 48-72 hours---.

This game has changed---. It has changed so fast that east west and australia as well are in a shock---.

Chinese weapons mixed with pakistani equipment has wreaked havoc on a superior force---that force is no more---.

Now the superior force is chinese and pakistani---.

You need to go to a different school of learning---.

Forget about pakistan & india---you need to be worried about China and australia---.

With the americans having put you in your place and you have no UNCLE to run to---how does that feel to be unsecure and at the mercy of chinese weapons---?

That is what you ought to be concerned about.

LOL, whatever man, have a nice day

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

That 72 aircraft strike was the pre-cursor to a larger missile strike---a larger ground and naval attack if it would have been successful---.

The west had given permission to india to wipe out pakistan---ie---the first statment was---they have been fighting for a longtime---let them duke it out---we have no interest in it---.

That statement was meant for india to neuter pakistan and telling india---go ahead nop help is coming for pakistan---do what you nay please---.

That statement meant that we don't care about the region anymore& you---ie---india---you are the boss---.

Do you guys get it now---? Do you understand what the Pak nation was facing---?

It was facing doomsday scenario---it was facing the end of its existence---the cheerleaders watching from far for our systematic demise---.

That 72 strike and fighter aircraft was a setup for our total demise from up peshawar down to Bahawalpur and the next step would have been from Bahawalpur to Karachi---.

Just imagine the fire power of 72 aircraft loaded with long distance smart weapons raring to have a go at the pakistan targets---.

That one 72 aircraft strike---if it was successful would have decimated pakistan---. The damage you see now---it would have been 100 times worse---. Our airbase---our industry---our railway stations and bridges would have been taken out---.

Our men blew that strike apart and pulverized it to that extent where the enemy air chief stopped his fighter pilots from flying and got beaten up for that---.

Indian military generals claiming not being ready top face this enemy---.

And here is J HUNGARY---the australian superstar / military expert giving us a lecture if we could survive a protracted war with indian having no functional air force and navy---he needs to worry about his motherland if it can survive 48 hours---.

These white boys need to get their heads out of their behinds---.

They are not dealing with poor afghans or incompetent iraqi or syrian or libyan forces here---.

 

[MastanKhan]

LOL, whatever man, have a nice day

Yeah---LOL my foot---you worry about your country if it can handled a week long strike by china---or even 3 days---.

 

[j_hungary]

Yeah---LOL my foot---you worry about your country if it can handled a week long strike by china---or even 3 days---.

Why are you still talking??

and do you have any idea how big is Australia?? Let me tell you this. Russia has an estimated 1.2 to 1.5 million troop in Ukraine. And Ukraine is 645,000 square kilometers big, Australia is over 7.8 million square kilometers, I am pretty sure China will run out of man and missile before every inch of Australia is touch. A week long strike ain't gonna do shit in Australia.

So yes, LOL.

And jesus, the quality of title poster sure do go down hill from the old forum.

And @X this is how or why I doubt you can pull off what you said you want to achieve, and this is why I have doubt to post my content here. in case you need a reference.

 

[j_hungary]

The 54th Brigade has been deployed in Aksai Chin for a long time. This time too India did not invade Pakistani soil.

As I said before, China wouldn't care about shelling each other firing missiles, or an air war. But China will not allow India to occupy Pakistani territory to threaten CPEC.

Honestly, then what is the point?

You are talking about a war, not taking your order from McDonald Drive Thru. It's pointless to say "I don't care about this, but I will do this" I mean I would care WHEN you do that, not what you say when.

 

[codeforfood]

Round and round in circles.
No proof is needed to share. You come from a nation that attacked a sovereign nation with not 1% proof of why the attack was taking place AND still no proof.
In war it’s customary to exaggerate wins and underestimate losses. India take it to the next level. Still no confirmation on any plane losses. If we believe your press stance - your army entered Lahore and Islamabad and stole all our toilets and returned.
In reality a nation 7 times size of Pakistan agreed to immediate ceasefire. Go figure.

Warmest regards

These Indians take their queue from their media. So there is no cure for that. I wonder why did India not respond after our retaliation and suddenly a ceasefire happened. But no Indians will continue to chest thump. Of course while their bottoms were getting spanked by their historic rulers.

 

[codeforfood]

The Indians are celebrating Sindoor as major success only in Pakistan is your narrative being spun
Ten reason why India are delighted with Sindoor

1. Precision strikes from within Indian borders on 9 terror camps with pinpoint accuracy using Indian satalites Navic for accuracy
Scalp Harm and Bhramos
2. 11 air bases hit including Noor khan and saragodah heart of your country with ease everything recorded on Indian satalites or Pak mobile phones too so you can't deny penetrated attacks

3 Indian electronic warfare blocked blinded chinease radars and missiles thus so many hits

4 successful attack on kirana hills your nuke storage sites after which cease fire came very quickly

5,.huge success of Indengious Indian air defense destroying hundreds of Turkish and Chinese supplied drones

6. India has removed the nuclear blackmail threat for good your nukes are virtually redundant

7. A new redline drawn and terror attack immediately India will respond with military strikesx
8 massive boost to indengious weapons worked so well.new
drones new anti drone systems radars Akash sams and brahmos

9. Little or no need to use big capital weapons at all no s400 used or manned fighters beyond loc

10.s400 system. Scared the hell out of Pakistan who never crossed the line of control for fear of being shot down

In all very well planned orchestrated precision operations with non escalatory domain

Good display of military might

Very easy for Pakistan to blow up some temples kill dozens of devotees, label them as RSS recruitment centres and every body lives happily ever after .

But our tradition and religion doesn't allow for that. We did the right thing by not attacking anything civilians. It is as per our traditions.

 

[MastanKhan]

Why are you still talking??

and do you have any idea how big is Australia?? Let me tell you this. Russia has an estimated 1.2 to 1.5 million troop in Ukraine. And Ukraine is 645,000 square kilometers big, Australia is over 7.8 million square kilometers, I am pretty sure China will run out of man and missile before every inch of Australia is touch. A week long strike ain't gonna do shit in Australia.

So yes, LOL.

And jesus, the quality of title poster sure do go down hill from the old forum.

And @X this is how or why I doubt you can pull off what you said you want to achieve, and this is why I have doubt to post my content here. in case you need a reference.

Sir,

Russia is having issues because Putin did not listen to his generals who asked for a Blitzkreig---but he wanted to act kind and give them warning.

China is not going to go the russia way---.

Indian air force tried it on pakistan with 72 strike aircraft---they went the "Blitzkrieg way"---.

They would have been successful---but their Blitzkrieg---Blitzerbleiter FIZZLED OUT right in their faces---when it came across The Lead Wall---.

I used to have great respect for the australians---for their perseverance and for their resourcefulness & their steadfastness---but when I read about the austrlian forces mercilessly and ruthlesly killing afghans for the fun of it---for them being muslims---I have no respect for your people and no empathy either---.

 

[harpy1]

Where do people get the 7 times the size narrative from.

Geography wise it's barely over 4 times the size
Population 6 times the size
Gdp 10 times the size
Forex money 50 times the size

So I ask were or what is 7 times the size

 

[MastanKhan]

But our tradition and religion doesn't allow for that. We did the right thing by not attacking anything civilians. It is as per our traditions.

Hi,

Ahmad Shah Abdali---Amir Taimur---Mahmood Ghaznavi---Zaheeruddin Babur---and a thousand other conquerers.

What innocent world are we living in my boy---?

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

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We showed this capability against the Brahmos---and the enemy strike aircraft---.

 

[codeforfood]

Hi,

Ahmad Shah Abdali---Amir Taimur---Mahmood Ghaznavi---Zaheeruddin Babur---and a thousand other conquerers.

What innocent world are we living in my boy---?

I meant our ideals. and our religion. I agree we are not living in an innocent world.

 

[j_hungary]

Sir,

Russia is having issues because Putin did not listen to his generals who asked for a Blitzkreig---but he wanted to act kind and give them warning.

China is not going to go the russia way---.

Indian air force tried it on pakistan with 72 strike aircraft---they went the "Blitzkrieg way"---.

They would have been successful---but their Blitzkrieg---Blitzerbleiter FIZZLED OUT right in their faces---when it came across The Lead Wall---.

I used to have great respect for the australians---for their perseverance and for their resourcefulness & their steadfastness---but when I read about the austrlian forces mercilessly and ruthlesly killing afghans for the fun of it---for them being muslims---I have no respect for your people and no empathy either---.

Aint this funny when you started to divert to "You should care about whether or not Australia can withstand a week worth of Chinese missile" And then lead it into "How this is going to work in Chinese way" when nothing talked about here is about the Chinese, you bring the topic into this discussion for whatever reason and then expanded it, and then say I am disrespecting Muslim because we kill Afghan?? For real?

As I said, if you have a point, I WILL reply to that point, but if your point is "Ra-Ra I am better than you" then I can't and won't reply to that, cause I got nothing to say. Again, have a nice day, nice knowing you.