Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Puncher]

Pravin Sawhney is not some Mr. Know it all and he has just been proven wrong: Between the Pahalgam attack and the early morning conflict on May 7, he was saying things like 'there will not be a war between India and Pakistan' and at most he saw a token 'surgical strike' or another token Balakot 2019. But now we all know that the conflict between India and Pakistan through May 7 and May 10 was the worst escalation since 1971--yes, worse than even Kargil 1999 and this time could have been a lot worse as, I believe, Pakistan was starting to put to action Pakistan's real lethal missiles on May 10 but then the ceasefire was agreed upon.
Pravin is decent on the China-Pakistan defense cooperation especially over Kashmir. He has a sharp eye on various weaponry in the play on all sides in the Kashmir theater. I also believe he is a patriotic Indian who really really wants to see Pakistan and India live in peace with each other due to the long shared history. You could say, he has a 'soft spot' for Pakistan which he, just like Karan Thapar, have to hide or else ...

likes of Karan Thapar or Pravin Sawhney are all into the business. and theri business ventures demand them to generate revenue. In Indian crowded digital space, creating a niche is very difficult ad you have to cater to some section to earn youtube revenue.

Pravin has figured out that with his radical Anti India stands, he can get a good fan following of Pakistanis in internet sapce and that is what he is doing..

 

[Oscar]

likes of Karan Thapar or Pravin Sawhney are all into the business. and theri business ventures demand them to generate revenue. In Indian crowded digital space, creating a niche is very difficult ad you have to cater to some section to earn youtube revenue.

Pravin has figured out that with his radical Anti India stands, he can get a good fan following of Pakistanis in internet sapce and that is what he is doing..

Ad hominem when you cannot counter the argument?

 

[ziaulislam]

are you telling me dozens of students near Adampur baase are looking at farm fire at 4:00 am on 10th may?

They are talking about drone missile etc

What it proves is a projectiles fired by Pakistan hit a target that is on fire ...geo location shows that this point of observation is 35 miles from the base...its tough to say that you can see the fire beyond the horizon...but its also possible that the defense system wasnt in the base


Regardless it doesnt prove without a doubt a hit on s400 just like we had unrefutable evidence of indian miss(satellite images that showed india missed targets in 2019) and four crash sites videos/pictures of rafale/mirage/su30 in 2025 and satellite images of hanger damage in few of Pakistani bases

Rest is all speculation that have no value

Already disproven as it is video from 8th May night 7.39 PM and not 10th May.
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Dude come on...this is very flawed method of timing the video as mentioned by everyone all over X..its obviously from pak-india stand off

Yes it doesnt prove a direct hit on s400 or any indian installation

 

[ziaulislam]

likes of Karan Thapar or Pravin Sawhney are all into the business. and theri business ventures demand them to generate revenue. In Indian crowded digital space, creating a niche is very difficult ad you have to cater to some section to earn youtube revenue.

Pravin has figured out that with his radical Anti India stands, he can get a good fan following of Pakistanis in internet sapce and that is what he is doing..

The guy is extremely anti pakistan what are you talking about

 

[ziaulislam]

Next war will be the drone war....However Pakistan did not use even 10 percent of different weapon systems it owns....Only suicide drones were used by both sides.....


"The previously unreported forecast, which came as India this month approved roughly $4.6 billion in emergency military procurement funds, was corroborated by two other industry executives."

Look at someone stocking up on weapons..... Is it because they suffered enormous demage???

India and Pakistan's drone battles mark new arms race in Asia

NEW DELHI/ISLAMABAD (Reuters) -A little after 8:00 pm on May 8, red flares streaked through the night sky over the northern Indian city of Jammu as its air-defence systems opened fire on drones from n...

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That's a problem they targeted our bases and then asked for a ceasefire and we let them do it so the can have exist for their local population..this may sound nice now but it opens the door for further conflicts...

 

[HRK]

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[Puncher]

Cross that bridge when time comes... till then have at it... I like the way a miser spends money.

Spectacle of pain and joy...

Your point wasn't we'll received puncture. At least in this trap you know when the time is up...

Not every Indian supports the idea of starving 250 million people of fresh water. That would be catastrophic—morally, regionally, and environmentally. I count myself among those who believe that long-term peace and sustainability must prevail over punitive instincts.


However, our neighbors in Pakistan must also understand: these developments around water and infrastructure aren't spontaneous—they're deliberate and strategic. India has begun laying the groundwork. The question is: will the Pakistani establishment recognize this shift before it's too late, or will it fall into the "boiling frog" syndrome—acting only when the damage is irreversible?


Let’s also acknowledge the changing balance of power through an economic lens.

• In 2016, when India conducted the surgical strikes, our GDP stood at $2.16 trillion. Pakistan's GDP was $313 billion.
• In 2019, during the Balakot air strikes, India's GDP had grown to $2.9 trillion, while Pakistan’s was $320 billion.
• Now, in 2025, following Operation SINDOOR, India's GDP is at $4.19 trillion. Pakistan’s stands at approximately $380 billion.

The takeaway is clear: with each crisis, India returns to the table stronger—economically and militarily. It can afford the risks of escalation and strategic signaling. The question Pakistan must ask itself is—can it match that trajectory? Can it bear the costs of continued brinkmanship?

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

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[Oscar]

Not every Indian supports the idea of starving 250 million people of fresh water. That would be catastrophic—morally, regionally, and environmentally. I count myself among those who believe that long-term peace and sustainability must prevail over punitive instincts.


However, our neighbors in Pakistan must also understand: these developments around water and infrastructure aren't spontaneous—they're deliberate and strategic. India has begun laying the groundwork. The question is: will the Pakistani establishment recognize this shift before it's too late, or will it fall into the "boiling frog" syndrome—acting only when the damage is irreversible?


Let’s also acknowledge the changing balance of power through an economic lens.

• In 2016, when India conducted the surgical strikes, our GDP stood at $2.16 trillion. Pakistan's GDP was $313 billion.
• In 2019, during the Balakot air strikes, India's GDP had grown to $2.9 trillion, while Pakistan’s was $320 billion.
• Now, in 2025, following Operation SINDOOR, India's GDP is at $4.19 trillion. Pakistan’s stands at approximately $380 billion.

The takeaway is clear: with each crisis, India returns to the table stronger—economically and militarily. It can afford the risks of escalation and strategic signaling. The question Pakistan must ask itself is—can it match that trajectory? Can it bear the costs of continued brinkmanship?

This is the most pertinent post and the only one I can agree with.

 

[Oscar]

Next war will be the drone war....However Pakistan did not use even 10 percent of different weapon systems it owns....Only suicide drones were used by both sides.....


"The previously unreported forecast, which came as India this month approved roughly $4.6 billion in emergency military procurement funds, was corroborated by two other industry executives."

Look at someone stocking up on weapons..... Is it because they suffered enormous demage???

India and Pakistan's drone battles mark new arms race in Asia

NEW DELHI/ISLAMABAD (Reuters) -A little after 8:00 pm on May 8, red flares streaked through the night sky over the northern Indian city of Jammu as its air-defence systems opened fire on drones from n...

ca.yahoo.com

Neither did India use all of its weapons although it resorted to using certain assets it would not have used had it been able to contest the PAF in the air.

India can procure more, better and faster than Pakistan can - and the math simply says even with maintaining its institutional bungling and poor execution the sheer numbers of quality weapons will offset assumed human idiocy by Indian operators.

 

[Vkdindian1]

Next war will be the drone war....However Pakistan did not use even 10 percent of different weapon systems it owns....Only suicide drones were used by both sides.....


"The previously unreported forecast, which came as India this month approved roughly $4.6 billion in emergency military procurement funds, was corroborated by two other industry executives."

Look at someone stocking up on weapons..... Is it because they suffered enormous demage???

India and Pakistan's drone battles mark new arms race in Asia

NEW DELHI/ISLAMABAD (Reuters) -A little after 8:00 pm on May 8, red flares streaked through the night sky over the northern Indian city of Jammu as its air-defence systems opened fire on drones from n...

ca.yahoo.com

The possibilities are many. One as hypothesised by you. That hasn’t been corroborated yet.

The other possibility is that the weapons being procured are those that were found to have done very well. Till now their performance was laid down only in the publications and during the skirmish they have proven to have performed far better than expected.

Brahmos as a stand-off weapon and Akash AD system come to mind right away. There could be many more from drone space.

Then there could also be effort to replenish the stock of weapons consumed. I am sure Paksiatn also would be doing the same, but they don’t have to publish an ad for procurement like in India, where all these are open to scrutiny and the process is a fairly open one.

 

[SaadH]

You should only believe what your government tells you, like it told you it managed the Covid remarkably well with only a few thousand deaths, now the cat is out of the bag it was 4,000,000 deaths and honestly I still don't believe this number because Indians are liars by nature, they never tell the truth, they open their mouths and the lies come gushing out.


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India had 25K to 40K daily excessive deaths for solid two months during COVID.

The number of dead is easily 10 mn, they ran out of wood for chita burning and people left their dead in shallow graves near river banks only to be dug up and eaten by stray dogs. But being home to 1.4 bn dreadful souls, losing 10 mn is a drop in the bucket, it can practically go unnoticed.

 

[Master Chief]

Not every Indian supports the idea of starving 250 million people of fresh water. That would be catastrophic—morally, regionally, and environmentally. I count myself among those who believe that long-term peace and sustainability must prevail over punitive instincts.


However, our neighbors in Pakistan must also understand: these developments around water and infrastructure aren't spontaneous—they're deliberate and strategic. India has begun laying the groundwork. The question is: will the Pakistani establishment recognize this shift before it's too late, or will it fall into the "boiling frog" syndrome—acting only when the damage is irreversible?


Let’s also acknowledge the changing balance of power through an economic lens.

• In 2016, when India conducted the surgical strikes, our GDP stood at $2.16 trillion. Pakistan's GDP was $313 billion.
• In 2019, during the Balakot air strikes, India's GDP had grown to $2.9 trillion, while Pakistan’s was $320 billion.
• Now, in 2025, following Operation SINDOOR, India's GDP is at $4.19 trillion. Pakistan’s stands at approximately $380 billion.

The takeaway is clear: with each crisis, India returns to the table stronger—economically and militarily. It can afford the risks of escalation and strategic signaling. The question Pakistan must ask itself is—can it match that trajectory? Can it bear the costs of continued brinkmanship?

You started your post with "I don't agree with India using water to commit terrorism upon civilians".

You ended it with "India is strong enough to use water to commit terrorism upon civilians. What will Pakistan do about it?".

So the water terrorism is forgiven by the end of the post?

 

[Vkdindian1]

You started your post with "I don't agree with India using water to commit terrorism upon civilians".

You ended it with "India is strong enough to use water to commit terrorism upon civilians. What will Pakistan do about it?".

So the water terrorism is forgiven by the end of the post?

I am sure @Puncher would clarify, but my take is that, he analysed the situation by bringing out the facts. The facts that bring out the reasons of the suspension of IWT. And the analysis is a compelling one.

It is not about endorsing or condemning the situation at all. It doesn’t make any difference either. All members here can cry a river or cheer all the way, if they want, wouldn’t make a sausage of difference to the policy makers.

Dont shoot the messenger here.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Now, in 2025, following Operation SINDOOR, India's GDP is at $4.19 trillion. Pakistan’s stands at approximately $380 billion.

Wrong number. You are using projected GDP for India in 2025.

Actual comparison is $3.9 trillion vs $411b for 2024-25 FY.

Second thing is as recent war have shown Pakistan had air superiority despite 10 times less budget. China factor is huge.

China doesnt give us free stuff but there are good reasons to believe they sell us at a cost. F-35 for India will cost $350m a piece but Pakistan will get J-35 from China for $60-70m.

J-10c cost $40m vs $280m for Rafale. Pakistan have access to cutting edge China sat network, which is many times more advanced then anything India have.

And then nukes deter prolonged war as we have seen recently. Both sides dont want to get to that point. Especially India which have 10x more to lose in nuclear fallout.