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Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion
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Ali_Baba
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The question is how will a further exchange benefit India? Unless they have found a way to neutralise the PAF, it will be just a trade of missiles with Pakistan potentially going as far as New Delhi in the next round. The PL15E is still relevant, capable and to which India has no answer.
I can't see Russia having much of anything that they can rush to India's aid interms of supplies, and the same applies to Israel.
Additionally, at this point, you would have to assume that PAF has made procurements to address short range bases defence issues already with close-in weapon system like the CS/SS2A. Platforms like the CS/SSA ( or the predecessor like the LuDun-2000 ) which are CIWS based systems, are not very expensive at all compared to SAM systems, so can be purchased in bulk like the SH-15s were without much in the way of theatrics as far as procurements processes go.
Also, how many Brahmos does India have left given that a large portion were destroyed in their storage sheds.
India may well want another round, and then try to manage the optics to create a narrative of success, but Pakistan would be aware of that and will look to deny Modi that goal entirely. Modi cannot be seen to win in an exchange with Pakistan otherwise he will do it all the time. Modi may need another further reminder that he wont forget this time. So, Pakistan's response will need to be more public, and more undeniable to the people of India, who must see the path Modi is leading them all on in pursuit of votes for Bihar.
If another exchange happens, then New Delhi must be on the target list. Rawalpindi was hit in the first round, and that was not answered in kind at all.
I do hope and pray that PAF loses its habit of "restraint" and "calibrated" actions and just cleans the skies fully without due regard for any IAF platform in the air at the time from jets to AEW&C to refuellers. India did not learn the first time, so the lesson must be severe if it comes to that.
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Vapnope
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While we all hate the restraint that Pakistan has shown all these years due to some obvious and some unknown reasons, the matter of the fact is that Pakistan has done things which Indian side did not envisage.
2016 - Pakistan didn't escalate on artillery duels because in military terms this was nothing unusual. However, as soon as Indian side started exaggerating it like they have taken over AJK, Pakistan realized the mistake.
2019 - Pakistan took the lesson and did not hesitate to shoot down Indian plane even when one plane was well within Indian territory. Again, Indian side blustered like there was no tomorrow.
2025 - Pakistan did not hesitate to attack all planes which were far away from the Loc and soon after that started attacking Indian installation, albeit with low tier weapons. This time again, Indian side is having the tallest claims like we have found an opening well below the nuclear threshold and that Pakistan has been punished well. We can attack anything inside Pakistan with impunity.
To my understanding our reactive planners are seeing it like a bold writing on the wall, that Pakistan didnt read Indians properly.
Bottom line is that in the next skirmish, the so called restraint is going to go out of the window..
2016 - Pakistan didn't escalate on artillery duels because in military terms this was nothing unusual. However, as soon as Indian side started exaggerating it like they have taken over AJK, Pakistan realized the mistake.
2019 - Pakistan took the lesson and did not hesitate to shoot down Indian plane even when one plane was well within Indian territory. Again, Indian side blustered like there was no tomorrow.
2025 - Pakistan did not hesitate to attack all planes which were far away from the Loc and soon after that started attacking Indian installation, albeit with low tier weapons. This time again, Indian side is having the tallest claims like we have found an opening well below the nuclear threshold and that Pakistan has been punished well. We can attack anything inside Pakistan with impunity.
To my understanding our reactive planners are seeing it like a bold writing on the wall, that Pakistan didnt read Indians properly.
Bottom line is that in the next skirmish, the so called restraint is going to go out of the window..
Mighty_Dragon_Strike
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he wanted to share 'evidence' in private messages at Telegram.
Its like seeing sun in the night!
Vapnope
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I have seen a shift in the thinking of liberal Pakistanis when it comes to India after 7th May. It might sound anecdotal but i can tell you from my personal experience that there is a strong realization that we got played and an existential threat exist for us.
You might ask me how this translates to anything concrete, to which i can only say thats the work in progress. Lips are moving so do the pens.
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Mighty_Dragon_Strike
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every body can feel 'critical mass' approximation!
NA71
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Sir he is on duty ....he is one from lost army...there are many engaged to counter Pakistani info offenssive on SM.....
Arsalan45
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I know the kind of threat that we are facing and I know the dangers. Modi wants a chunk of pakistan to become a hero and this will never happen. Thing is strategy. Why wait for them to attack us again? A terrorist attack can happen today, tomorrow or may be after one month. We can’t just sit back and watch their moves.
Time has come to make our own moves. I would love to see another kargil or probably a successful attack on siachen. Thing is it’s us who must now tell Chinese that it’s either us or Indians who will win next and final war. We must ask are you with us? Will you help us militarily? There is a hint that they will send soldiers but not in military uniform. Basically a hidden covert operation to take back Indian kashmir should be our top priority. Obviously we have to tell Chinese about our financial situation. China knows pak armed forces can fight and defeat india if suddenly numerical superiority on Indian side fades away.
All this evil work and strategy needs time and attention. Trust me, both china and Pakistan can easily take back Indian kashmir. Only thing we need is dedication and full cooperation like military to military and funding. By the time other countries realize, it will be too late for india as United states doesn’t even have bases in india. We should take china pakistan brotherhood to another level. Let’s fight side by side and defeat Indians.
I know all this looks fancy and not real but make it real. Why face continuous threat from india when we can apply our own solutions? Talk to Chinese. Show them the importance of Indian kashmir as some parts of Kashmir will go to china as a reward.
El Sidd
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Simla accord is dead. Azad Kashmir government can ask for volunteers and the world has moved past covert operations. Azad Kashmir delegations to China are not uncommon.
In best interest for the region, Pakistan is open to a trilateral agreement on Kashmir with China and India provided that the people of Kashmir are given their rights to self determination. This would offer a roadmap to other territorial disputes and water issues for the whole region.
All political and military solutions are on the table for Kashmir. If India opts out of a peaceful resolution, Pakistan and China can bilaterally resolve Kashmir issue.
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— INFORMATION OF DOWNED IAF PLANES AND RESPECTIVE PILOTS1: Mirage-2000
Location: Pampore
Pilot Name: W/C Omanakuttam
Service No: 30384
Shot Credit: J-10C via PL-15
Condition: Held at 92 Base Hospital Srinagar in critical condition.
2: Mig-29
Location: Ramban
Pilot Name: S/L Keshav Yadav
Service No: 32394
Shot Credit: Jf-17 via PL-15
Condition: Was held at Command Hospital Udhampur, death on May 22, 2025.
3: Su-30MKI
Location: Akhnoor
Pilot 1: W/C Lalit Garg
Service No: 29690
Pilot 2: F/L Mundit Tewari
Service No: 36415
Shot Credit: J-10C via PL-15
Condition: Held at 170 Military hospital, Akhnoor in stable condition.
4: Rafale EH
Location: Bhatinda
Pilot: W/C Arun Panwar
Service No: 30217
Shot Credit: J-10C via PL-15
Condition: Was held at 174 Military Hospital, Bhatinda, shifted to Chandimandir Command Hospital due to critical condition.
5: Rafale EH
Location: Punjab (North of bhatinda)
Pilot: W/C Manish
Service No: 27976
Shot Credit: J-10C via PL-15
Condition: Held at Chandimandir Command Hospital in stable condition.
6: Rafale EH
Pilot: S/L Sunil
Service No: 32091
Shot Credit: J-10C via PL-15
Condition: Held at 92 Base Hospital, Srinagar in stable condition.
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