Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

India got smacked with Air Force so it end up using ground super sonic crusie missles and ran to uncle sam when it had just regular artellery rockets (fateh) up its ass. Didnt even wait for Blastic missiles or cruise missiles in repsonse to their brahmos

I mean look at Pakistan, any missile with 300-600km range can hit “deep” inside. Thats not a big deal as many think. Pakistan know its geographical limitations.

Pakistan hit 26 Indian sites but those were not deep inside India. Only up to Delhi.
 
Analysis by top US think tank Stimson Centre



On May 9-10, the Indian air and missile defense system appears to have worked against limited Pakistani short-range ballistic missile attacks as well.










But we are yet to see a credible proof of Indian air defense system successfully intercepting any Pakistani Fatah 1, CM400 or A100 rockets and missiles. Indian military was caught presenting wreckage of own missiles as Pakistani missiles which was embarrassing

While Pakistan has several clear proofs that it successfully intercepted Indian Brahmos and SCALP missiles
 
27 Pakistani soldiers were also killed in same period as per interview of Pakistan defence minister.
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At the same time some 500+ Indians sold were also dead.
So what's the point?
 
what actual reality actually is.

Did Pakistan defend its airspace? >>>>>> Yes

Did Pakistan punish the aggressors attacking Pakistan? >>> Yes in a very spectacular way

Did Pakistan respond to missile attacks on its mainland? >>> Yes

Now these bharatis can go seek refuge in claiming that it was because of China, should we care? >>> No, it does not matter if their little nuni is hurt and cannot accept that Pakistan will hand their rears to them.

It is enough for me that their jets were downed inside their own country some 100+Km from Pakistan. I do not even care how many jets and what kind of jets. The point simply made was you take off with intent to attack Pakistan you won't land back.

I do not care if the rockets Pakistan fired were pointy, round, square, circle or small and whether they hit anything of significance, the only thing that matters to me is world knows Pakistan will attack in response.

Next time who knows how Pakistan will react right from start of a false flag and false blames, after all a new normal has been established in the region (it goes both ways).

In a full blown war, no amount of GDP can change the reality that for each Pakistani killed in a missile attack it will be 4 dead indians, just look at the population numbers and concentration. GDP is not going to help save them from getting evaporated, from destruction, from whining, from crying, from starvation, from riots. Many will die without even getting the first aid because everything will be overloaded. Wars are not just having enough money to fire fancy latest missiles, wars also lead to dead, injured and internally displaced people .. does modi's india have enough courage to cover that? Pakistanis are used to it, the last 20 years were a training for them.

Hiding behind continuation of op sindoor should end now.
 

Pakistan pitches ‘responsible’ image as diplomatic war with India heats up​

India and Pakistan have shifted from armed confrontation to a diplomatic offensive, seeking to shape global opinion.

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By Abid Hussain
Published On 29 May 202529 May 2025

Islamabad, Pakistan – Pakistan Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif visited Azerbaijan in February, and Turkiye only a month ago, in April.

Yet, this week, he was back in both countries, as part of a five-day, four-nation diplomatic blitzkrieg also including stops in Iran and Tajikistan, where Sharif will hold talks on Thursday and Friday. And he isn’t alone: Sharif is being accompanied by Army Chief Asim Munir — recently promoted to Pakistan’s only second-ever field marshal — and Deputy Prime Minister Ishaq Dar.

Their destinations might be familiar, but the context has changed dramatically since Sharif’s previous visits.

More than two weeks after a four-day standoff between Pakistan and India – during which they exchanged missile and drone strikes – diplomacy has become the new battlefront between the South Asian neighbours.

India has launched a global diplomatic campaign, sending delegations to over 30 countries, accusing Pakistan of supporting “terrorist groups” responsible for attacks in India and Indian-administered Kashmir.

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“We want to exhort the world to hold those responsible for cross-border terrorism accountable, those who have practiced this for 40 years against India, that is Pakistan. Their actions need to be called out,” said Randhir Jaiswal, spokesperson for India’s Ministry of External Affairs, last week.

On April 22, gunmen killed 26 people, most of them tourists, in Pahalgam, a hill resort in Indian-administered Kashmir in the worst such attack on civilians in years. India blamed the killings on The Resistance Front (TRF), which it alleges is linked to Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), a Pakistan-based group designated as a “terrorist” entity by the United Nations. New Delhi accused Islamabad of complicity in the attacks.

Pakistan denied the allegations, calling for a “transparent, credible, independent” investigation.

Then, on May 7, India launched a series of missiles aimed at what it said was “terrorist infrastructure” in parts of Pakistan and Pakistan-administered Kashmir. Islamabad insisted that the missiles struck civilians, mosques and schools. More than 50 people, including at least 11 security personnel were killed in the Indian missile strikes.

This was followed by drone incursions and, on May 10, both sides fired missiles at each other’s military bases, as they stood on the brink of a full-fledged war before they agreed to a ceasefire that the US says it brokered.


‘We want peace’​

On Wednesday, Sharif expressed willingness to engage in dialogue with India on “all matters,” if India reciprocates “in all sincerity.”

Speaking at a trilateral summit in Lachin, Azerbaijan, Sharif said trade could resume if India cooperated on all issues, including “counterterrorism.”

“I have said in all humility that we want peace in the region, and that requires talks on the table on issues which need urgent attention and amicable resolution, that is the issue of Kashmir, according to the resolutions of the United Nations and the Security Council, and as per the aspirations of the people of Kashmir,” he said.

Kashmir, a picturesque valley in the northeastern subcontinent, remains the root of conflict between the two nuclear-armed nations since their independence in 1947.

A 1948 UN resolution called for a plebiscite to determine Kashmir’s future, but eight decades later, it has yet to take place.

India and Pakistan each administer parts of Kashmir, while China controls two small regions. India claims the entire territory; Pakistan claims the portion administered by India, but not the areas held by its ally China.

The Pakistani delegation with prime minister Shehbaz Sharif and army chief Asim Munir also made a stop in Iran in their four-country tour. [Handout/Pakistan Prime Minister's Office]
The Pakistani delegation with prime minister Shehbaz Sharif and army chief Asim Munir also made a stop in Iran during their four-country tour. [Handout/Pakistan Prime Minister’s Office]

Contrasting diplomacy​

But there are other motivations driving Pakistan’s diplomatic outreach too, say officials and experts.

India’s diplomatic delegations that are currently touring the world include members from various political parties, including the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and the opposition Indian National Congress (INC), projecting a unified stance.

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In contrast, Pakistan’s current mission is led by top state officials, including Sharif and army chief Munir, widely considered the most powerful figure in the country.

The trip also reflects strategic alignment, say analysts. Turkiye, whose drones were used by Pakistan in the recent conflict, is a key defense partner.

“Pakistan’s defense cooperation with Turkey is especially deep,” said Christopher Clary, assistant professor of political science at the University at Albany.

“Evidence suggests several Turkish-origin systems were used in this recent clash, with varying levels of effectiveness, so there is much to talk about between the two,” he told Al Jazeera.

Khurram Dastgir Khan, a former federal minister for foreign affairs and defence, is part of a Pakistani delegation set to visit the US, UK and EU headquarters in Brussels next month.

He said the current trip by Sharif, Munir and Dar is at least partly about highlighting Pakistan’s capacity to wage a modern war against a larger adversary. “There is immense interest in how Pakistan fought the recent war,” Khan said.

“There are countries deeply interested in learning the details, what capabilities Pakistan used and what Indians had,” he added.

“This opens new strategic possibilities for Pakistan’s defence forces to provide training to others. We are battle-tested. This makes us highly sought after, not just in the region but globally.”


Pakistan relied heavily on Chinese-supplied weaponry, including the fighter jets and the missiles that it deployed against India, and the air defence systems it used to defend itself from Indian missiles.

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Post-conflict narrative battle​

Though both countries claimed victory after the conflict, the battle over narratives has since raged across social media and public forums.

Pakistan claims to have downed six Indian jets, a claim neither confirmed nor denied by India, while Indian missiles penetrated deep into Pakistani territory, revealing vulnerabilities in its air defenses.

India has also suspended the six-decade-old Indus Waters Treaty (IWT), a critical water-sharing agreement that is vital to Pakistan.

Recently, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi urged Pakistanis to reject “terrorism.” “Live a life of peace, eat your bread or choose my bullet,” Modi said, during a speech in India’s Gujarat state.

He also criticised the IWT as “badly negotiated,” claiming it disadvantaged India.

German Foreign Minister Johann Wadephul and Indian Foreign Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar speak to the media following talks in Berlin, Germany, May 23, 2025. REUTERS/Annegret Hilse
German Foreign Minister Johann Wadephul, right, and Indian Foreign Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar, left, speak to the media following talks in Berlin, Germany, May 23, 2025. [Annegret Hilse/Reuters]
Muhammad Shoaib, an academic and security analyst at Quaid-i-Azam University, said Modi’s remarks reflected “ultra-nationalism” and were targeted at a domestic audience.

“The Indian diplomatic teams won’t likely focus on what Pakistan says. They will only implicate Pakistan for terrorism and build their case. Meanwhile, the Pakistani delegation will likely use Modi’s statements and international law regarding the IWT to bolster their arguments,” he told Al Jazeera.

Khan, who is also a senior member of the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PMLN), the ruling party which premier Sharif belongs to, said the upcoming diplomatic mission that he will be part of will focus on issues like India’s suspension of the IWT.


“Our fundamental point is that Pakistan seeks to maintain lasting peace in South Asia, but three major hurdles are posed by Indian aggression,” he said.

The first, according to Khan, is “Indian-sponsored terrorism” in Pakistan, in which, he claimed, more than 20 people have been killed over the past four years. India has been accused by the US and Canada of transnational assassinations. In January 2024, Pakistan also accused India of carrying out killings on its soil. India denies involvement. Pakistan also accuses India of backing separatist groups in its Balochistan province — again, an allegation that India rejects.

“The second point is India’s utterly irresponsible suspension of the IWT,” Khan said.

“Pakistan has rightly said that any step by India to stop our water will be treated as an act of war. This is something that can bring all the region in conflict and I believe that if India acquires capability to divert waters in next six to ten years, and tries to do so, it will lead to a war,” Khan warned.

The third issue, Khan said, is Pakistan’s concern over India’s “status as a responsible nuclear power”.

In the past, New Delhi has frequently cited the nuclear proliferation facilitated by Abdul Qadeer Khan, the father of Pakistan’s nuclear programme, as evidence that Islamabad cannot be trusted with the safe management of its nuclear weapons.

But in recent days, India’s internal security minister, Amit Shah — widely viewed as the country’s second-most powerful leader after Modi — has confirmed that India used its homegrown BrahMos missile against Pakistan during the recent military escalation.

The BrahMos – developed with Russia – is a supersonic cruise missile capable of Mach 3 – three times the speed of sound – and a range of 300 to 500 kilometers. It can carry both conventional and nuclear warheads and be launched from land, air, or sea.

Khan, who served as defense minister from 2017 to 2018, warned of “unimaginable consequences” from using such weapons.

“Once the missile is in the air, you cannot know what payload it carries until it hits the target. This is very, very irresponsible,” he said. “India has already shown recklessness when it mistakenly fired a missile into our territory a few years ago.”

Khan was referring to an incident in March 2022, when India fired a BrahMos “accidentally” in Pakistani territory, where it fell in a densely populated city of Mian Channu, roughly 500 kilometers south of capital Islamabad.

India at the time acknowledged that accidental launch was due to a “technical malfunction” and later sacked three air force officials.


A man waves a national flag in front of a cut out of Brahmos Missile during Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi's road show in Ahmedabad, India, Monday, May 26, 2025. (AP Photo/Ajit Solanki)
A man waves a national flag in front of a cut out of Brahmos Missile during Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s Road show in Ahmedabad, India on May 26, 2025. [Ajit Solanki/AP Photo]

Ceasefire holds, but tensions linger​

While the conflict brought both countries to the edge of war, the ceasefire declared on May 10 has held, with troops gradually returning to peacetime positions.

Shoaib, also a research fellow at George Mason University in the US, expressed cautious optimism.

“Initiating hostilities is risky. No side wants to be seen as irresponsible. For that to break, it would take a major incident,” he said.

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Tughral Yamin, a former military officer and researcher in Islamabad, noted that while diplomacy offers no guarantees, the ceasefire could last.

“India has seen that Pakistan is no cakewalk. It has both conventional and nuclear deterrence,” he told Al Jazeera. “Both sides will remain alert, and Pakistan must address weaknesses exposed in the standoff.”

Clary added that while the India-Pakistan relationship remains fragile, history suggests that intense clashes are often followed by calmer periods.

“It is reasonable for both countries and international observers to hope for the best but prepare for the worst over the next few months,” he said.

But Khan, the former minister, questioned Modi’s comments, after the military crisis, where the Indian PM said that any attack on the country’s soil would now be seen as worthy of a military response, and that New Delhi would effectively cease to draw any distinction between Pakistan’s military and non-state armed groups.

“The new stated policy of the Indian government is to attack Pakistan even after minor incidents, without waiting for evidence. This puts the entire region on edge,” he said. “This trigger-happy policy should concern not just Pakistan, but the entire world.”

 
True aunty qureshi said damage was minor while BJP MLA is saying something else.

Pakistan showed restraint which was moronic on the part of Pakistan by not using Babar or Raad or Nasr

But even in that restraint Pakistan managed to hit some key locations which is good and gives us hope that in next round we should be able to hit them hard if we use all our weapons with aggressive intent
 
It is showing 7th May at 12:54 AM. This is fake as hell. Perhaps video from somewhere else, may be in Pakistan itself. At that time, India had not yet hit the targets in Pakistan.

Not to mention if it was this big of a hit, it would have been very much visible in satellite images. This handle is totally bunk.
It has already been told several times before that S-400 was taken out much before the proper start of operation Bunyan Al Marsous.
This video only proves that claim was correct.
 
Was S400 taken out on 7-May after PAF downed 6 Indian jets or was it the early hours of 10-May?

S400 was taken out before Indian aircrafts on 7th May. Explain why IAF was grounded. Also explain India in panic mode started firing missiles.
 
S400 was taken out before Indian aircrafts on 7th May. Explain why IAF was grounded. Also explain India in panic mode started firing missiles.
I am not privy to when the S400 went down.

But my thought was S400 was taken out on 10-May. On the night of 7-May, 6 IAF jets went down and after that they remained behind 200km of the IB due to the PL15s.

Could be wrong here.
 
27 Pakistani soldiers were also killed in same period as per interview of Pakistan defence minister.
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Well done to you, whatever helps you cope better.
 
I am not privy to when the S400 went down.

But my thought was S400 was taken out on 10-May. On the night of 7-May, 6 IAF jets went down and after that they remained behind 200km of the IB due to the PL15s.

Could be wrong here.

New info is coming that S400 was first victim of war.
 
Showing pieces of a missile or a weapon is no proof of anything.

That could be remnant of that weapon after it was intercepted or it’s fragments after it struck a target. There is also a possibility of failure of a weapon due to many reasons and falling short or going astray.

This applies to both the sides.

Secondly, neither side is likely to accept the exact nature of damage caused by the adversary. Why would India accept that Paksiatn caused any damage to anything important. Same goes for Paksiatn also, giving any credit to India in that regard.

The onus of proving success of attacks lies with the attacker. Proving to the world what one achieved is very important in narrative buildup and showing one’s capability to the masses and own population. Showing them that money spent on them was worthwhile.

This is of least importance to the defence forces themselves as they know very clearly, what they lost and gained.
 
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This explain some Indian politician saying that Indian forced were taking down 50K rupees drones with missiles worth millions.
 

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