Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

It seems that my comment has broken the hearts of many who were surviving on scraps. I didn’t name any country or take any sides but I don’t know why some people are cheesed off.

Take Hazy videos from social media, edit them a little, add some masala and make big claims. That seems to be the bread and butter for many.

Here is a fairly well written account of this conflict. The author hasn’t taken any sides and analysed all the facts. And he has been critical of Indian effort too, so he is not taking any sides.


Executive Summary

Following a terrorist attack on April 22, India launched punitive strikes on Pakistan on May 7. This began a four-day conflict between India and Pakistan from May 7-10, which became the most serious military crisis in decades between the two rival nuclear states. Both sides have declared victory amid considerable misinformation and disinformation about what occurred. This essay seeks to offer a factually grounded narrative of the evolution of the crisis, while mindful of severe data limitation problems in the public domain that complicate analysis. Even with the limited or contested information currently available, some tentative conclusions are possible.

The conflict represents several military firsts:

This was the first time India used cruise missiles on Pakistan, both the BrahMos cruise missile (co-developed with Russia) as well as the European SCALP-EG.
This was the first time Pakistan used conventionally armed short-range ballistic missiles on India, in the form of the Fatah-I and Fatah-II missiles and possibly other missile types.
While drones have been used sporadically along the Line of Control in Kashmir and elsewhere for smuggling, this is the first instance of drone warfare in the India-Pakistan rivalry where both sides employed drones with the intent of causing damage on the other.
Available information also permits several conclusions about the military situation during the crisis:

India demonstrated an ability to deliver precise standoff attacks across large swathes of Pakistan on each day of the conflict but especially May 7 and May 10. While Pakistani air defenses likely interfered with or intercepted some attempted strikes, Pakistan has a meaningful and serious vulnerability to Indian air attack.
There is no evidence of any manned aircraft crossing into the airspace of the other side, which indicates the seriousness with which both sides viewed the air defense threat of the other even on the final day of the conflict.
On the first day of hostilities, May 7, India likely lost several aircraft to Pakistani counterair operations. While Indian officials neither acknowledged nor denied the losses, they represent perhaps the most meaningful military costs India experienced during the Four-Day Conflict.
On May 8 through May 10, India’s integrated air and missile defense system appears to have largely defeated several waves of Pakistani drone attacks of ambiguous scope, scale, and intensity. On May 9-10, the Indian air and missile defense system appears to have worked against limited Pakistani short-range ballistic missile attacks as well.
After its apparent downing of Indian aircraft on May 7, Pakistan inflicted virtually no observable damage on Indian military units or facilities, though Indian officials have said there was some damage at four installations.
While attention focused primarily on the air and drone campaigns, most of the May 7 strikes occurred in or near Kashmir; subsequent fighting along the Line of Control in Kashmir was deadly and served as a major source of casualties for both sides.
Political conclusions are also possible:

The India-Pakistan relationship remains crisis-prone, and those crises are likely to continue to escalate in severity over time.
While the mutual possession of nuclear weapons heavily conditioned the responses of both sides, overt nuclear signaling was lower than in many prior India-Pakistan crises.
Both sides worked to calibrate escalation and showed some ability to manage escalation adequately. Both sides were sometimes surprised, however, by choices made by the other and, in some instances, likely viewed an adversary’s response as escalatory rather than proportional.
The crisis was costly in terms of human lives and expended or destroyed military equipment. Those costs will likely work to induce some caution in the bilateral relationship in the near-term, a probable principal aim of Indian policy.
The United States played a major role in crisis management, especially in the final hours of the crisis. While it is conceivable another actor could have played this role as crisis communicator of choice for both combatants, and some alternative third parties did play a role in crisis diplomacy, none of those alternative actors appear to have participated with the same efficacy as the United States.
This crisis involved the use of several weapons systems, often in innovative ways, which neither India nor Pakistan possessed at the time of their last crisis in 2019. While this crisis provides a baseline for the next India-Pakistan crisis, the pace of military technological change means that the contours of that next crisis might be meaningfully different. Both sides’ perceived setbacks and failures will serve as a major driver for defense acquisitions and doctrinal innovation.
Dude!
You are heart broken.... Extremely heart broken.
And you are suffering from depression after the recent humiliation of India.
I will also suggest you to take a break.
You are virtually in denial mode everywhere and in desperation going after each and every Pakistani pdf member.
Take a break.
 
People wondered where was S400? Likely it was taken out before 5-6 Indian aircrafts crashed to death as per many Pakistani insiders OSINT.
even easier solution, why not produce the same satellite images of 9th May as shown by Pakistan of the Cheese Board radar and S400 control station!

Because IAF is saying, their opponents cannot know the exact location of S400 cheese boards!
 
It seems that my comment has broken the hearts of many who were surviving on scraps. I didn’t name any country or take any sides but I don’t know why some people are cheesed off.

Take Hazy videos from social media, edit them a little, add some masala and make big claims. That seems to be the bread and butter for many.

Here is a fairly well written account of this conflict. The author hasn’t taken any sides and analysed all the facts. And he has been critical of Indian effort too, so he is not taking any sides.


Executive Summary

Following a terrorist attack on April 22, India launched punitive strikes on Pakistan on May 7. This began a four-day conflict between India and Pakistan from May 7-10, which became the most serious military crisis in decades between the two rival nuclear states. Both sides have declared victory amid considerable misinformation and disinformation about what occurred. This essay seeks to offer a factually grounded narrative of the evolution of the crisis, while mindful of severe data limitation problems in the public domain that complicate analysis. Even with the limited or contested information currently available, some tentative conclusions are possible.

The conflict represents several military firsts:

This was the first time India used cruise missiles on Pakistan, both the BrahMos cruise missile (co-developed with Russia) as well as the European SCALP-EG.
This was the first time Pakistan used conventionally armed short-range ballistic missiles on India, in the form of the Fatah-I and Fatah-II missiles and possibly other missile types.
While drones have been used sporadically along the Line of Control in Kashmir and elsewhere for smuggling, this is the first instance of drone warfare in the India-Pakistan rivalry where both sides employed drones with the intent of causing damage on the other.
Available information also permits several conclusions about the military situation during the crisis:

India demonstrated an ability to deliver precise standoff attacks across large swathes of Pakistan on each day of the conflict but especially May 7 and May 10. While Pakistani air defenses likely interfered with or intercepted some attempted strikes, Pakistan has a meaningful and serious vulnerability to Indian air attack.
There is no evidence of any manned aircraft crossing into the airspace of the other side, which indicates the seriousness with which both sides viewed the air defense threat of the other even on the final day of the conflict.
On the first day of hostilities, May 7, India likely lost several aircraft to Pakistani counterair operations. While Indian officials neither acknowledged nor denied the losses, they represent perhaps the most meaningful military costs India experienced during the Four-Day Conflict.
On May 8 through May 10, India’s integrated air and missile defense system appears to have largely defeated several waves of Pakistani drone attacks of ambiguous scope, scale, and intensity. On May 9-10, the Indian air and missile defense system appears to have worked against limited Pakistani short-range ballistic missile attacks as well.
After its apparent downing of Indian aircraft on May 7, Pakistan inflicted virtually no observable damage on Indian military units or facilities, though Indian officials have said there was some damage at four installations.
While attention focused primarily on the air and drone campaigns, most of the May 7 strikes occurred in or near Kashmir; subsequent fighting along the Line of Control in Kashmir was deadly and served as a major source of casualties for both sides.
Political conclusions are also possible:

The India-Pakistan relationship remains crisis-prone, and those crises are likely to continue to escalate in severity over time.
While the mutual possession of nuclear weapons heavily conditioned the responses of both sides, overt nuclear signaling was lower than in many prior India-Pakistan crises.
Both sides worked to calibrate escalation and showed some ability to manage escalation adequately. Both sides were sometimes surprised, however, by choices made by the other and, in some instances, likely viewed an adversary’s response as escalatory rather than proportional.
The crisis was costly in terms of human lives and expended or destroyed military equipment. Those costs will likely work to induce some caution in the bilateral relationship in the near-term, a probable principal aim of Indian policy.
The United States played a major role in crisis management, especially in the final hours of the crisis. While it is conceivable another actor could have played this role as crisis communicator of choice for both combatants, and some alternative third parties did play a role in crisis diplomacy, none of those alternative actors appear to have participated with the same efficacy as the United States.
This crisis involved the use of several weapons systems, often in innovative ways, which neither India nor Pakistan possessed at the time of their last crisis in 2019. While this crisis provides a baseline for the next India-Pakistan crisis, the pace of military technological change means that the contours of that next crisis might be meaningfully different. Both sides’ perceived setbacks and failures will serve as a major driver for defense acquisitions and doctrinal innovation.
videos released may look like very questionable in some instances, not denying that.
good videos are far too few, point taken, but, those which are good are saying 'more than evidence', that is the problem.

Good videos are changing observer's location!

see you in 10 hours!
 
How does it feel waking up every morning having to write nonsense; talking in terms of PARITY ("both sides", "neither side", "same goes for", "they know") against an enemy that is 7x smaller than you?

Take a step back, look at yourself in the mirror, gaze into your eyes and slowly let the realisation overcome you. You'll be one step closer to moksha.
Can you show one comment from me where I have called Paksiatn to be an unworthy adversary?
You wouldn’t be able to, since in your hyperventilating hurried attempt to answer, you didn’t even read my comment.

Making dramatic use of words like Moksha etc doesn’t make you any smarter. Don’t worry about my destiny.

I only stated - not to read too much into debris of a weapon. It can only indicate the type of weapon used and nothing more. Even if few are intercepted, many more could have gone through and done the damage or failed if not very accurate. Holds good for Fatah, Scalp, Brahmos as well as drones.

So no need to hyperventilate, get excited or feel doomed in finding an adversary’s missile wreckage.

This holds true for Indians finding debris of Fatah I or drones in India.
 
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This is video from Karwal resort near Adampur base where S400 radar was.

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Here is a fairly well written account of this conflict. The author hasn’t taken any sides and analysed all the facts. And he has been critical of Indian effort too, so he is not taking any sides.

This piece of trash paid Indian propaganda is already debunked in the separate thread where it was posted.

 
Now these bharatis can go seek refuge in claiming that it was because of China, should we care? >>> No, it does not matter if their little nuni is hurt and cannot accept that Pakistan will hand their rears to them.

Indians bringing China factor maybe an attempt to scare the West into supporting India more as well as belittling Pakistan's own effort but that attempt also surely is not good for the Indian morale and will to fight Pakistan because China is a big scare in India. I think those of us in the old PDF 10+ years ago may remember how Indians would rubbish China's help to Pakistan because 'India gives China huge trade benefits'.
But the situation is very different from 10+ years ago. And hopefully, the China factor along with the lack of diplomatic support to India recently will make even Modi backpaddle on the IWT and come to some reasonable compromise with Pakistan, otherwise, it is a bleak situation for India on Kashmir.
 
Notice, my dear Indian friend, how you defaulted to 20 Rafales, when Pakistan is claiming 3 Rafales.

This is known as the hyperbole fallacy. You deliberately suggest such an excessive number was claimed in order to discredit the claim of any number, even an entirely plausible and verifiable number of 3.

We understand your coping strategy. It is quite amateurish and I have seen it deployed by your friends on this very forum.
Heaven forbid if we had lost 6 jets to them in this humiliating way, I wouldn’t dream of going on a Indian Defence Forum to try argue that we somehow ‘won’ and to do my coping via, ‘look at my satellite image’, ‘ we only lost 1 Ra-fail not 3, ‘we dominated on the 10th’, ‘Air power is no longer relevant’, ‘We’d do much better in a full war’ ——they are the definition of shameless 🤡’s.
 
Just returned to my work desk after a restful night's sleep, following advise from people on the other side of the border: DO NOT SLEEP TONIGHT.

Why were sudden heavy air activities over IOK ? ...India canceled Mock drills but it seems they are going to conduct full scale mock drills in four states from tonight.
False bravado and BS to show gullible Indians how mighty Modi India is. Truth is they got owned in the Air and at least until they figure out how they managed to get humiliated so bad, how the comms of their best jets got hacked etc and fix it, they ain’t doing diddly squat.
 
False bravado and BS to show gullible Indians how mighty Modi India is. Truth is they got owned in the Air and at least until they figure out how they managed to get humiliated so bad, how the comms of their best jets got hacked etc and fix it, they ain’t doing diddly squat.

Their tech challanges will be multiplied 3 fold once we get J-35

They are going to have to figure out how to beat our EW/Cyber, avoid our AEW and somehow find and target stealth fighters.

In all honesty I think only US and China can successfully do that these days
 

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