Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Meengla]

Then there is issue of ceasefire. Actually, the best day for Pakistan to call for one was on 7th itself. It had already done the maximum damage and with ceasefire, it would have denied India any chance to salvage the day one losses.

Right. And I believe Pakistan was ready to accept a ceasefire after May 7 but India kept sending in drones to probe Pakistan's defenses. I think it is also possible that foreign countries convinced Pakistan to call it a day after making a token strike; one Pakistani analyst said that Saudis had convinced Pakistan to consider May 7 a victory and stop. But it was India which was duplicitous about the ceasefire as India knew it was humiliated on May 7 and had to (and still has to!) appear to be a winner.
Speaking of the ceasefire: Anyone recall in the first version of this thread right after May 7. Our posts are still there. Most people here wanted Pakistan to go into India or at least escalate massively. I was on the fence or for stopping the conflict. It was me and a few others who took the unpopular route of calling it day. I had even used a gambling parlance: 'Get out while ahead'. But most here thought downing jets wasn't enough to avenge the death of Pakistani civilians. Truth is that Pakistan too had killed Indian soldiers across the LOC in the May 7 encounter.
Who initiated on May 10 is unclear to me.

 

[Pradotlc]

Not that blind....

in Pakistan these things happen......

 

[redgriffin]

Yep, I'm well aware -- since the 90s.

80s actually from day one of Viper ops in PAF.

 

[Pradotlc]

Right. And I believe Pakistan was ready to accept a ceasefire after May 7 but India kept sending in drones to probe Pakistan's defenses. I think it is also possible that foreign countries convinced Pakistan to call it a day after making a token strike; one Pakistani analyst said that Saudis had convinced Pakistan to consider May 7 a victory and stop. But it was India which was duplicitous about the ceasefire as India knew it was humiliated on May 7 and had to (and still has to!) appear to be a winner.
Speaking of the ceasefire: Anyone recall in the first version of this thread right after May 7. Our posts are still there. Most people here wanted Pakistan to go into India or at least escalate massively. I was on the fence or for stopping the conflict. It was me and a few others who took the unpopular route of calling it day. I had even used a gambling parlance: 'Get out while ahead'. But most here thought downing jets wasn't enough to avenge the death of Pakistani civilians. Truth is that Pakistan too had killed Indian soldiers across the LOC in the May 7 encounter.
Who initiated on May 10 is unclear to me.

the war could not have stopped... on 7th may

they lost 6 places + one heavy drone ... billions lost all for a few shacks and low rent homes and low income civilians...

in the indian mind this was too much to bear

if they indians had called it a day Pakistan would have.. just look at statements from our minister of Self defense Khawaja (who wins seat by rigging thanks to Bajwa)

 

[Pradotlc]

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[Meengla]

- Better defense against Brahmos. Here offense may be the best defense. An indigenous investment in manufacturing our own Supersonic or Hypersonic missiles may force the Indians to rethink before deploying the Brahmos missile.

Right.
Looking at the huge differences of geographical and economy strategic depths between Pakistan and India, I don't think Pakistan is able to stop India's BrahMos from destroying significant assets inside Pakistan. A counter to that: A North Korean way to deter India is the way forward currently: We will flatten New Delhi using concentrated firepower should you try to destroy us.
But on that count, work has to be done, per this old Urdu/Persian saying:

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[El Sidd]

you remember their names?.. dont travel too much do you ?

Canada?.. lol

isn't it another indian hole?.. no wonder they let you in.

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No I don't travel that much. It's polite to remember names of those who provide you a service.

Now can I ask you a question?

 

[ziaulislam]

15-20 Brahmos & few scalps, with pin point accuracy on 13 bases , cantonment areas , radar sites etc

We have thousands , 100 would have been an overkill.

Besides we are yet to announce the PAF losses in air and on ground, Parliament session will answer everything.

Till then let the echo chamber hallucinate.

Nuclear capable missles should get nuclear capable response but uncle sam came in too quickly once FATEH ii/i started battering indians ass

Otherwise we would have aeen MRV on delhi

Regardless going nuclear meant one thing indian airforce and navy was completely paralyzed as indian cheif himself said

 

[ziaulislam]

There are several lessons learned for Pakistan.

- Better defense against drone swarms. The gap can be closed with SHORAD or further investments into soft kills tech (microwave technology) without having to switch ADs.

- Better defense against Brahmos. Here offense may be the best defense. An indigenous investment in manufacturing our own Supersonic or Hypersonic missiles may force the Indians to rethink before deploying the Brahmos missile. From a defense perspective, more investments into local ADs integrated with the entire network of ADs should be the need of the hour. Pakistan seems to have been lagging in this area.

Well i think you already have Blastic missiles..but you never used them(you should have)

Should have targeted Mumbai or delhi but you never did

Stating these are nuclear isnt an excuse because brahmos is too. We let india escalate without consequences of this escalation meaning we have kept the door opened for brahmos type escalation again

It also means we will be blind to nuclear decapitation strike on Islamabad via brahmos

 

[ziaulislam]

Imagine having 80 billion usd defense budget and still trying to prove to the world that some of your missiles went through to their targets in a country whose def budget is paltry 8 billion USD. These clowns think they can take on China while can't even overwhelm a small country like Pakistan. Amazing feat !

But ..but ...But rafales are better then j20, j10 isnt even being inducted anymore in plaaf, so china gave it to Pakistan there is no way j10 can harm tejas let alone the new raptor of east rafales

 

[Pradotlc]

No I don't travel that much. It's polite to remember names of those who provide you a service.

Now can I ask you a question?

polite ? or you have nothing else useful going in your life.

 

[El Sidd]

polite ? or you have nothing else useful going in your life.

I am sure you are being most productive about yours. So can I go ahead and ask the question?

 

[Arsalan45]

I have seen the updated map of Indian strikes. I have never seen an enemy attacking so many different places in a country. Damage on our side is big specially if you add airbases hit. Some of the Indians are right that they will buy more jets because they have money.

Overall I am not happy with our performance specially after looking at updated maps. I haven’t seen one strategic place of theirs that was destroyed. Our inability to target Indian airbases is causing embarrassment. I don’t know which airbase we targeted. Where is the damage? Our videos showed that we hit but they are all not related to Indian airbases as satellite data shows otherwise. They used cruise missiles and bombs. Why we didn’t use them?

I don’t care how many jets Paf destroyed. Why we can’t replicate their style of attack? What are we lacking? Why we don’t have similar systems like scalp, hammer and brahmos?

I think they targeted everything with accuracy. It’s our ads and electronic warfare that saved us from complete damage. If this trend continues then it will be hard to stop india next time. Obviously not happy to see the map and how easily damage was done by iaf.

 

[ARMalik]

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Frankly, Indian Panjeets are disgusting people with no REAL talent in life. The only talent they have is to LIE. And by lying they convinced the Western World that they are some top shi-t. But obviously the truth is VASTLY different.

 

[Meengla]

Stating these are nuclear isnt an excuse because brahmos is too. We let india escalate without consequences of this escalation meaning we have kept the door opened for brahmos type escalation again
It also means we will be blind to nuclear decapitation strike on Islamabad via brahmos

Firstly, why use Pakistan's nuclear capable missiles when the much cheaper missiles were going to 'get the message across' and achieve the ceasefire which was a Pakistani desire after May 7's dominance anyway?
As to the bolded part: The two countries were significantly below the nuclear threshold, plus there were the mediators involved with some 'arrangements' in place, plus any nuke against Pakistan would be internationally widely condemned AND would likely result in a Pakistani nuclear strike on India AND there are the hundreds of Western citizens in Islamabad and at no point the Americans asked its citizens to leave Pakistan (or India).