PAF F-16 | Discussions

[rafale]

Hi,

As a matter of fact---it was a rude awakening of the western forces and their supporters.

This was the BLITZERBLEITER that no one saw it coming---. Well it was obvious what was coming---but the west believed so much in the smell of their own sh-it that they did not want to believe that china / pakistan were capable of doing anything even close to what happened---.

The technical information of the J10 CE / JF17 BLK3 was out there---but the will to believe that those EW packages and weapons be superior to anything the west has put forward---that was diabolically shocking---.

I mean to say---look at France---prancing about it ew package on the Rafale---.

First of all---it has a lower capability older aesa GAS based radar---plus it is a smaller radar with lesser TR modules than the BKL3's GAN based aesa radar---and they are claiming that their older tech radar is superior to chinese newer tech based radar---.

I mean to say---just the audacity to make that claim is astounding---. French forgot to mention that in the 20 years---it has only faced 3rd rate air forces---who had no capability to look---see & shoot back---.

first time their equipment has come acrross a capable foe and it has been decimated---obliterated in the home skies of the country flying it.

They are blaming in on indian pilots---.

I will guarantee you that the indian pilots are extremely capable pilots---extremely professional & well versed in their flying capabilities.

You have to be an exceptional capability pilot just to fly and operate a 4.5 gen flying machine---.

If you noticed, even the AVM Aurangzeb during the press conference said ''..........jokes aside, Rafale is an extremely potent aircraft....'' and then again at another point he said that the enemy pilot is also good, he is also fighting for his nation and means no disrespect.

This kind of respect was shown by PAF person and yet I have to see anything similar from the Indian side other than embarrassingly admitting that in combat we have losses.

Shows the humility of PAF and the fact that they accept and learn to have a better day.

2019, PAF vs IAF 1-0
2025, PAF vs IAF 6-0

Shows to me that PAF is a lot more willing to learn than the Indians, and with this attitude i really hope PAF smashes them to bits and shows no restraint for 'de-escalation' next time around. Use the J-35s to maximum and put these Indians in permanent coma.

 

[ghazi52]

 

[MastanKhan]

If you noticed, even the AVM Aurangzeb during the press conference said ''..........jokes aside, Rafale is an extremely potent aircraft....'' and then again at another point he said that the enemy pilot is also good, he is also fighting for his nation and means no disrespect.

This kind of respect was shown by PAF person and yet I have to see anything similar from the Indian side other than embarrassingly admitting that in combat we have losses.

Shows the humility of PAF and the fact that they accept and learn to have a better day.

2019, PAF vs IAF 1-0
2025, PAF vs IAF 6-0

Shows to me that PAF is a lot more willing to learn than the Indians, and with this attitude i really hope PAF smashes them to bits and shows no restraint for 'de-escalation' next time around. Use the J-35s to maximum and put these Indians in permanent coma.

Hi,

So---you have to look at it this way---. When they are saying what they are saying---what does it really mean---?

It means and they are admitting that they got beat by a better side---.

And as for willing to learn---Paf has shared all their secrets and made IAF to learn---.

 

[FuturePAF]

I think that's definitely the way to go. Kaan is still in infancy so we'll see it being inducted somewhere in the 2030s in the Turkish Airforce. Pakistan could then procure Kaan or atleast become part of the supply chain to bring costs down

Pakistan could procure “KAAN” but I think by then, the tech will have matured, such that KAAN would be the two engine platform we see for Türkiye and the single engine variant, powered by the same engine as the Turkish one, for the PAF, hopefully with ToT on the engine and other components, so the procurement will be fully worth it for Pakistan.

 

[MirageV3ff]

Pakistan could procure “KAAN” but I think by then, the tech will have matured, such that KAAN would be the two engine platform we see for Türkiye and the single engine variant, powered by the same engine as the Turkish one, for the PAF, hopefully with ToT on the engine and other components, so the procurement will be fully worth it for Pakistan.

Hypothetically I think that's what PFX could become. A single engined version of "KAAN". TAI already employs a ton of Pakistani engineers and there is a TAI office here as well at NASTP.

Turkish Aerospace Pakistan Test Flies IQBAL Scaled Technology Demonstrator - Quwa

On 14 March 2025, Turkish Aerospace Pakistan successfully conducting the maiden test flight of "IQBAL," a locally developed technology demonstrator.

quwa.org

Plus if we go by this there is definitely some collaboration going on this project right now. Whatever learning are learnt from this project we can definitely see that making its way into what PFX could be

 

[FuturePAF]

Hypothetically I think that's what PFX could become. A single engined version of "KAAN". TAI already employs a ton of Pakistani engineers and there is a TAI office here as well at NASTP.

Turkish Aerospace Pakistan Test Flies IQBAL Scaled Technology Demonstrator - Quwa

On 14 March 2025, Turkish Aerospace Pakistan successfully conducting the maiden test flight of "IQBAL," a locally developed technology demonstrator.

quwa.org

Plus if we go by this there is definitely some collaboration going on this project right now. Whatever learning are learnt from this project we can definitely see that making its way into what PFX could be

The single engine conventional configuration in the back is probably what the PAF will go for. It might be possible that PAF upgrades the F-16s and then ports over the expensive components into these single engine KAAN aircraft when the F-16s don’t seem worth it any longer and the KAAN is ready for mass production.

IMHO, in only that way, the full $80-85 Ozgur upgrade might be worth it.

 

[Fatman17]

At the moment PAF is probably focused on inducting additional J-10CE and JF-17C Block-3s. Invest in Base defence for the near term.
For the future who knows what will happen.
PFX or J-35 or KAAN. we're entering into a procurement process which could be very expensive. Therefore infrastructure would be required to build/ assemble 50%+ of the components. Kamra would need to be expanded or new facilities somewhere else. I'm quite sure that PAF planners are thinking out all such issues.

 

[krash]

If you noticed, even the AVM Aurangzeb during the press conference said ''..........jokes aside, Rafale is an extremely potent aircraft....'' and then again at another point he said that the enemy pilot is also good, he is also fighting for his nation and means no disrespect.

This kind of respect was shown by PAF person and yet I have to see anything similar from the Indian side other than embarrassingly admitting that in combat we have losses.

Shows the humility of PAF and the fact that they accept and learn to have a better day.

2019, PAF vs IAF 1-0
2025, PAF vs IAF 6-0

Shows to me that PAF is a lot more willing to learn than the Indians, and with this attitude i really hope PAF smashes them to bits and shows no restraint for 'de-escalation' next time around. Use the J-35s to maximum and put these Indians in permanent coma.

Don't mistake the Indian loons online and on TV for the Indian Servicemen. They are professionals and do show the same professional respect and courtesy for the Pakistani Servicemen. We've seen it countless times.

Their relative lack of agility when identifying and internalizing newer concepts is a systemic issue and not a case of unwillingness to learn.

 

[MirageV3ff]

The single engine conventional configuration in the back is probably what the PAF will go for. It might be possible that PAF upgrades the F-16s and then ports over the expensive components into these single engine KAAN aircraft when the F-16s don’t seem worth it any longer and the KAAN is ready for mass production.

IMHO, in only that way, the full $80-85 Ozgur upgrade might be worth it.

If Pakistan does acquire Ozgur upgrades then it definitely makes sense that PFX will take a similar direction moving forward.

Vipers will have a shelf life of about maybe 15 extra years, then being replaced by subsequent JF-17 blocks and then the PFX.

 

[Raider 21]

Don't mistake the Indian loons online and on TV for the Indian Servicemen. They are professionals and do show the same professional respect and courtesy for the Pakistani Servicemen. We've seen it countless times.

Their relative lack of agility when identifying and internalizing newer concepts is a systemic issue and not a case of unwillingness to learn.

Yes the vast majority are professional....yet have heard stories (there are some for PAF too).

One recent example I recall was when they (Su-30MKI detachment) visited Egypt for an exercise. An observer attached to the same exercise found that they (Indians) know how to fly well but aren't on par with fighting well consistently. Their reliance on newer tech without utilisation gives them the mentality that they'd be unstoppable.

A similar example within PAF was the misconception if certain F-16A/B pilots would be able to master the C/D type by employing conventional learning methods....they learned the hard way and needed some foreign (American) support to modernise. Yet they picked it up fairly quickly compared to NATO AFs

And a few outliers amongst them (IAF Su-30MKI det) were the "bloodthirsty" types (they'd quote Feb 27th 2019 and kill PAF terms)......

 

[krash]

Yes the vast majority are professional....yet have heard stories (there are some for PAF too).

One recent example I recall was when they (Su-30MKI detachment) visited Egypt for an exercise. An observer attached to the same exercise found that they (Indians) know how to fly well but aren't on par with fighting well consistently. Their reliance on newer tech without utilisation gives them the mentality that they'd be unstoppable.

A similar example within PAF was the misconception if certain F-16A/B pilots would be able to master the C/D type by employing conventional learning methods....they learned the hard way and needed some foreign (American) support to modernise. Yet they picked it up fairly quickly compared to NATO AFs

And a few outliers amongst them (IAF Su-30MKI det) were the "bloodthirsty" types (they'd quote Feb 27th 2019 and kill PAF terms)......

I don't doubt that. Jazba, Junoon, and Hysteria are expected in internal circles.

I was mainly speaking to the professional etiquette and respect towards the other's servicemen.

 

[rafale]

Don't mistake the Indian loons online and on TV for the Indian Servicemen. They are professionals and do show the same professional respect and courtesy for the Pakistani Servicemen. We've seen it countless times.

Their relative lack of agility when identifying and internalizing newer concepts is a systemic issue and not a case of unwillingness to learn.

I am sorry, but their AK Bharti guy and then ADS Chauhan, both of them came out more as human monkeys than any professional.

You lost assets, its fine. Move on. No need to lie and slander. "Thumping Victory" what the eff is that? Your most potent aircraft shot down in your own airspace. I doubt there is any other example of such loss in history.

 

[rafale]

Hi,

So---you have to look at it this way---. When they are saying what they are saying---what does it really mean---?

It means and they are admitting that they got beat by a better side---.

And as for willing to learn---Paf has shared all their secrets and made IAF to learn---.

They are still infatuated by PAF F-16s. Shooting one down is their forever wet dream.

PAF F-16s have earned more Indian nightmares and given them more diarrhea than kills in their 40+ years history. I guess, it was well worth the investment, even if just for fun.

 

[MirageV3ff]

They are still infatuated by PAF F-16s. Shooting one down is their forever wet dream.

PAF F-16s have earned more Indian nightmares and given them more diarrhea than kills in their 40+ years history. I guess, it was well worth the investment, even if just for fun.

I mean they did spend better half of 40 years trying to find a counter for the Indus Viper. Inducting five different types like Mig-23s, Mig-29s, Mirage 2000s, Su-30s and Rafales in hopes of besting the viper. Billions of dollars spent.....only then to lose their jets by Amraams and PL-15s lmao

 

[krash]

I am sorry, but their AK Bharti guy and then ADS Chauhan, both of them came out more as human monkeys than any professional.

You lost assets, its fine. Move on. No need to lie and slander. "Thumping Victory" what the eff is that? Your most potent aircraft shot down in your own airspace. I doubt there is any other example of such loss in history.

Hyperbole and propaganda should not be mistaken for unprofessionalism. They were given a narrative to sell, they tried.