Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Ali_Baba said:
My conclusions are quite different and a little harsh on Iran i am afraid. The erasure of the command and control structure was always going to be temporary to provide space for the initial opening round, to sow confusion. Israel correctly determined that the command structure is "personality cult driven/led and not institutional with identified chains of command with battlefield replacements built its structure and clear SOPs". That window of opportunity was to hit the targets that they wanted to. They hit all of the overground nuclear sites that they wanted to , and inflicted sufficient damage to slow down Iran's programme for years. They could never knock it out entirely, they knew that. But, with Iran's economic problems, the prospects of having to spend 10's of billions to resurrect that infrastructure to get back to where they were before the attack is going to pose a problem for them, esp if the snapback sanctions are applied, causing more economic pain. Even if Iran conducts a test with a device, they will not be able to generate enough fissile material for a meaningful nuclear capability for many years.

The Israeli public are not much concerned about what they are seeing from Iran, they have withstood longer and more sustained barrages from Lebanon, Palestine forces and it did not negatively affect Netanyahu politically or the people. This is a new normal for them.

Netanyahu may have political issues that may cause the end of his career, but it wont be because he is charged with Genocide/war crimes, the public does not care about that. Or, the result of Iran's attacks, they are geared to withstand that with all the bunkers they have.

I disagree with the notion that Iran has recovered its reputation. They are and will be rightly embarrassed for decades to come that Israel got the jump on them like that. People can see Iran's military is quite ineffective and it cannot impose a cost of any value given the lack of precision in the systems that Iran uses. Once, people used to fear Iran as the big bad wolf you should not go near or touch. Not so much now. Look at how freely the IDF can operate over Iran. Counters like Saudia, UAE can operate at that level of freedom over Iran now, as they have the same level of military hardware. Yes, those countries are closer and maybe affected by other systems, but the fear has been reduced by a few notches with this exchange, not gone up.

Who will take Iran's military that seriously when it can lose its entire senior command staff like that, when it was clear to all that an attack was coming? How ineffective is the chain of command in Iran, than secondary leaders could not automatically take over the operations without having to be "personally appointed for their political considerations ?". Iran's miliary structure, organisation and operational model has not come out well out of this at all. The nature of the government structure in Iran means, it can never be fixed either. A few missiles with poor CEP targeting that are missing their targets cannot change the fundamentals of that Iran lost the opening round and by all measure, it looks like they may not have the will or technical capability, or capacity to conduct a sustained campaign to "stay in the ring with Israel" for very long it seems.

Netanyahu may well fall out one day, but it will be because of low level petty politics in their government.

Don't get me wrong, i would love for Iran to be able to take Israel by the shoulder, bend her over a barrel and give a good account of himself, but i am afraid, what i saw and still see is impotence ...
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Israel is ruling Iranians skies, they will destroy everything, military bases, missile bases, nuclear facilities, tanks, planes, airports, ports, navial assets, will likely target economic infrastructure aswell. What Netanyahu wants is for the Iranians to rise against the Ayatollahs and for a military coup to remove the regime, bring back a secular iranian leadership which will deal with the USA zionists. If Iranians do not rise up, Israel will target economic infrastructure, turn back Iran clock to 1980s, this will destroy iranian economy and sooner or later the people of Iran will remove their government.

People can celebrate 100 missile attacks on Israel but it's not causing enough damage in order for Israel to back off, the zionist claimed they will change the map of the middleeast and they're doing it now. Hizbollah, Hamas, Al Assad defeated, Iran is now being defeated, they will clear middleeast from any anti Israeli elements. Israel will rise as a stronger power, the unchallengable power in the middleeast.
 
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M. Sarmad said:
The issue with that line of argument lies in its glaring double standards: Iran is readily blamed for fueling sectarian conflict, while only a passing acknowledgment is given to the fact that the Saudis bankroll the opposing side. What’s almost always swept under the rug is that over 99% of terrorism in Pakistan stems from groups funded by (and ideologically related to) Saudi Arabia.... yet somehow, Saudis always walk away unscathed, without scrutiny or consequence...!!

And when it comes to India, again the GCC nations tilt noticeably in India's favor. Unlike Iran, they don’t rely on India for economic survival , and unlike Iran, they wield substantial influence within India, which they have never exercised to support Pakistan. Once again, Iran becomes the scapegoat, and Saudi Arabia enjoys immunity....

Now, this isn’t to suggest that Iran harbors deep respect or affection for Pakistan (far from it). But neither do the Arab states. So the question is: why single out one side for blame? The answer may well lie in sectarian bias, a lens that clouds reason and shapes convenient justifications.

And what truly matters (as astutely pointed out by @Goenitz) is the bitter irony that Sunnis label Shias as kafir, Shias return the favour, and the real disbelievers consider both to be Muslims… and hate them both with equal passion...alid points, on bright side it is less and less successful to manipulate ordinary masses on that pretexts, both SA and Iran exported their own visions of how muslims should conduct them self.
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Valid points, that is why direct contacts and relationship between SA and Iran is determential for global muslim affairs, on bright side ordinary people are fed up with that misusage of faith sentiments.
 
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NationalistPKDude132 said:
Poor iranians bro i feel so bad for them
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do not worry, they are fighting Hard! Jannah awaits!

I am feeling that these coming 6-7 hours a decisive for Supereme leader and for the IRGC

they must stand firm and respond with most aggressive intent that is possible. yes there is a really possibility that they will loose. but they will make Zionism pay up to that point - that the war becomes unfeasible.

Flight of wealth from GULF to US - That is the real goal.
 
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This night is going to be a very long for the Iranians
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It will be longer for the Jews whom you worship (unless you are a false flagger).
 
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At this point what even remained of the Iranian Air Force combat fleet of fighters is pretty much gone
 
PakAl said:
Israel is ruling Iranians skies, they will destroy everything, military bases, missile bases, nuclear facilities, tanks, planes, airports, ports, navial assets, will likely target economic infrastructure aswell. What Netanyahu wants is for the Iranians to rise against the Ayatollahs and for a military coup to remove the regime, bring back a secular iranian leadership which will deal with the USA zionists. If Iranians do not rise up, Israel will target economic infrastructure, turn back Iran clock to 1980s, this will destroy iranian economy and sooner or later the people of Iran will remove their government.

People can celebrate 100 missile attacks on Israel but it's not causing enough damage in order for Israel to back off, the zionist claimed they will change the map of the middleeast and they're doing it now. Hizbollah, Hamas, Al Assad defeated, Iran is now being defeated, they will clear middleeast from any anti Israeli elements. Israel will rise as a stronger power, the unchallengable power in the middleeast.
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The situation is pretty bad.

Even Iranian civilian airlines will be crippled after this war is over.
They targeted mainly civilian airlines at Mehrabad. And Iran cannot import passenger aircrafts due to US and EU sanctions.

The regime is in a bad situation and if they don't go nuclear, will fall soon.
 
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