Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[maverick]

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If only the IRGC built stronger ranged missiles and put them bases in EAST and not in WEST and CENTRAL where Israel can attempt preemptive attack

@Hack-Hook @Persian Gulf

sorry that will not work, you need a stronger airforce, does not matter you are on east or west of itan

 

[dbc]

I was reading this article by Telegraph during the height of Pakistan India conflict. The last para was very insightful. It went something along the lines, that Chinese will be hoping that this conflict will extend a bit so they can "test" and "validate" their weapons further.

PAF has gone beyond that level, where Israeli F16s/F15s (bulk of their air force, infact majority of NATO) rather not come in the firing line or they will be squashed like flying cockroaches. F35s, we can deal with them as well. As for China, it will be biggest catch compared to those 4.5 gen Rafales. If PAF enter this conflict, they will all come to negotiating table.

Defeating an incompetent India sure has sent your imagination into the realm of wild fantasies. PAF is going to squash NATO like flying cockroaches. Sit down little one the grown ups are speaking.

 

[Immortals]

It is now 3 AM in Tehran, Sunrise is at 5 AM

Last salvo was at 9 pm Tehran time, so far 6 hours no salvo.

All the Iranian bravado of going to increase the response and severity seems to have been propaganda.

Iran is not fighting this war how I through it would. It’s looking more like Hezbollah than like a nation state with tens of thousands of missiles.

 

[That_Guy]

Israel could try the same tactic they used in Lebanon to take out nasrallah of targeting precisely the same spot with hundreds of bunker busters repeatedly to borrow down to the facility?

Won't work. There's is a difference in striking a developed piece of land, and literally a mountain side.

Even the US doesn't have the means to do so.

 

[M. Sarmad]

I do not recall the context of that conversation as I have not logged in the older PDF. The post in the screenshot is not removed, right? So your censorship claim is not correct. I did not remove a post without reason unless it was inflaming. And I find it strange that you found this thread to bring up this story.

You asked for proof, you were given proof, and then came the deflection, right on cue. Almost textbook... One might say it echoes the well-worn habits of your Israeli and American patrons: deny, distract, and derail

But let’s leave it here and agree to disagree....

 

[Cesur]

I was reading this article by Telegraph during the height of Pakistan India conflict. The last para was very insightful. It went something along the lines, that Chinese will be hoping that this conflict will extend a bit so they can "test" and "validate" their weapons further.

PAF has gone beyond that level, where Israeli F16s/F15s (bulk of their air force, infact majority of NATO) rather not come in the firing line or they will be squashed like flying cockroaches. F35s, we can deal with them as well. As for China, it will be biggest catch compared to those 4.5 gen Rafales. If PAF enter this conflict, they will all come to negotiating table.

Keep in mind, we’ve been flying F-16s for over 42 years and have gained deep insights into F-15 operations through extensive training and exercises alongside Saudi units. Western or Eastern platforms, we understand their capabilities and maintain an ecosystem tailored to counter each kind.

 

[Aggregate]

Israel could try the same tactic they used in Lebanon to take out nasrallah of targeting precisely the same spot with hundreds of bunker busters repeatedly to borrow down to the facility?

It has been a long time since that attack. If they even had a 10% hunch of it being successful, they would have announced it and the ba$tardyahoo would have rushed to the TV to talk about it. That 'fire' was short lived, not permanent. Probably an impact but not any damage as usual.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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[Persian Gulf]

I do not recall the context of that conversation as I have not logged in the older PDF. The post in the screenshot is not removed, right? So your censorship claim is not correct. I did not remove a post without reason unless it was inflaming. And I find it strange that you considered this thread to bring up this story.

I am not advancing Israeli narrative in this thread. Sharing a tweet from a source does not make it so. Do you see me quoting Israeli government and requesting members to respect its views? Strange accusatory mindset to be honest.

both of you move on and avoid personal insults

 

[ShapurII]

Israel could try the same tactic they used in Lebanon to take out nasrallah of targeting precisely the same spot with hundreds of bunker busters repeatedly to borrow down to the facility?

No, it's impossible. We're talking about 100 meters of granite + multiple layers of reinforced concrete. Not just dirt.

Even though at this rate, I think we're entering the next stage of the plan: chaos and panic, and then boots on the ground to destroy Fordow.

 

[Lulldapull]

This maybe your 10th post which brings up aircrafts as an option for Iran. I don't understand how you could say that? If J-35 are already in Pakistan then they would be directed toward India. As far as radars, sure, China could station some to be operated by Pakistanis close to the Iran border or even inside Iran itself but there is no viable Iranian SAMs available which would integrate with Pakistanis at such a short notice without training--that is there are good Iranian SAMs even available to counter the likes of F-35.

However, Pakistani 'advisors' with existing expertise in the Chinese missile systems, perhaps guided by the Chinese satellite systems, could prove lethal against Israel. In that scenario, the costs are much lower than aircrafts and there is the element of 'plausible deniability' by both Pakistan and China.

China won't do nothing.......We can already see it......

They are powerless and we know it.

Just commerce........

Subhaanallah!

 

[Aggregate]

My friend. You mean well, but you need to get out of fighter jets as an option for Iran. It will take many years for Iran to create a system like Pakistan's. You could benefit from some Pravin Swahney videos which go to some details about the various techs China has used to bring the PAF to its current lethal state. Also, what @dbc says is applicable about the radars of J-35.

This is a war of attrition, as @Aziqbal said several pages ago. Who runs of the ability to strike. Iran is doomed if it runs out of the missiles into Israel. Israel is going to sue for peace if it can't take sustained destruction for a prolonged period. Pretty simple.

Yes but do not limit Iran to missiles alone though, they have endless cards to play here. Even if they run out of long range missile to strike Israel, they can make the whole place a living hell for the West and Israel to exist in, in so many other ways. Israel also cannot sustain these sorties for very long.

 

[RescueRanger]

Washington Analyst: Fordow has not been damaged.

 

[Homajon]

Israel claimed to pre-emptively destroy launchers and prevent missile attack.

Very important we get an attack off still tonight.

It is important for your emotional well-being, but not for the course of the war.

 

[Developereo]

I was reading this article by Telegraph during the height of Pakistan India conflict. The last para was very insightful. It went something along the lines, that Chinese will be hoping that this conflict will extend a bit so they can "test" and "validate" their weapons further.

PAF has gone beyond that level, where Israeli F16s/F15s (bulk of their air force, infact majority of NATO) rather not come in the firing line or they will be squashed like flying cockroaches. F35s, we can deal with them as well. As for China, it will be biggest catch compared to those 4.5 gen Rafales. If PAF enter this conflict, they will all come to negotiating table.

Realistically, we are still outmatched by Israel since we have nothing to counter their F-35. Maybe we have J-35 maybe we don't, and we certainly don't have the level of experience they have with 5gen.

However, we will put up a good fight and inflict a heavy blow to Israel, maybe fatal, if it messes with us.