Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[tower9]

the chinese have been holding back on iran so far it seems, there must be some reason

Iran has not gone all in with China and has hedged their bets with other players like europe, Russia and India. Therefore while China and Iran are partners, they aren’t particularly close and there isn’t a high degree of mutual trust. With that said, China has seemed to have been supplying Iran covertly.

Anyways honestly what I can garner with what’s happened tonight is that this was done as a pre planned event between the US and Iran. Iran may retaliate and hit a couple abandoned US bases to save face, and that would also be agreed upon between Iran and the US.

What is clear is that Trump and Iran both do not want things to escalate and this is a solution to let all parties stand down. The big question is if Netanyahu and the Neocons will be satisfied by this obvious performative act? I guess we will see.

 

[iblini]

We're heading there, are you not seeing how increasingly irrational the collective West is behaving? Supposed rule based order is dead and buried by now, no turning back. They're unhinged, it's inevitable. Don’t underestimate the damage they're prepared and willing to inflict on the whole world just to stay on top.

That's why we are building at an unprecedented speed to make sure they cool their heads.

 

[MLK!]

MAGA like F22 raptor definitely lacks of brain cell, "Beijing's closest ally in the region", lol, Iran???

He doesn't care about anything other than emotionally feeling the needs for Winning every days, endless wins.

I agree with you he's a retard but there is some truth to that. Iran is the only non aligned country in the Mid East, and a huge country at that. All other countries have, economic and military cooperation and US military bases in them. My people just gave Trump 4 trillion USD for protection money, basically. I believe Iran and China should work closer together in the future and that's a relationship that will benefit both parties in many aspects. Iran needs China now more than ever and Iran will be an important ally in the worlds biggest energy hub.

 

[BigMela2onin]

Where's the immediate Iranian reaction? Don't states usually have a secret protocol that comes into force?

No, in Iran nothing is planned ahead and they prefer to discuss responses for 2-3 weeks before any action is taken.

 

[the saint]

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Unrealistic for China to intervene in ME militarily, will not happen because of interests and capabilities.

To take back Taiwan as I have mentioned in the other post.

Since the TSMC can't move some of their production to the US, and the US semiconductor ecosystem will be in huge trouble if Taiwan falls into the hands of China.

China will maintain its technological ecosystem and keep growing stronger, while the US gonna lose everything, and the US decisionmakers haven't realized this fact.

Iran needs to be relieved with Taiwan.

 

[MH.Yang]

Yeah, it seems China and Iran had some relationship difficulties recently and I don't know who's to blame.

China will be wary of selling advanced tech to Iran given the spy infestation in Iran and Iran's close ties to India. On the other hand, the Arab countries are probably just as infested with Israeli/Western spies and are also friendly with India, but China is selling/offering advanced weapons to them so not sure what to make of it.

Iran will only wake up to the path it should take after suffering.

Previously the Iranians were insincere about cooperation with China, betraying the Chinese government on several occasions and even handing over promised ports to the Indians, seriously damaging the B&R program. There was also the inexplicable death of President Raisi that led to the interruption of the great Chinese-led Saudi-Iranian rapprochement, and a great deal of diplomatic resources were wasted.

It is only natural that China now asks Iran to show its resolve and value of resistance before deciding whether to assist it.

As for buying Chinese high-end weapon systems, how can China trust a country that can't even replace GPS with Compass?

 

[Gorgin Khan]

wondering if they have underground pathways to transport the material to storage a distance away from maximum blast radius

Blast doesnt go downward it goes upwards....Depends on how deep they penetratred....The more you penetrate deep the lesser the blast radius and effect due to geo pressure , And what was it built under , Granite or loose soil, Unless they have hit the core , I dont think they will be able to destroy that......It will also depend on if there was any Enriched Uranium..... lots of ifs and buts ..... Lets wait for the details

 

[That_Guy]

I’m no expert on Nukes but centrifuge wouldn’t have radiation

Supposedly, the underground facility had something that could amit a shit ton of radiation, thus the caution. It was heavily fortified for a reason.

No idea if true though.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

All of these
I mean , you know those Iranians and their missiles

Just bagdad is quite low expectation

Won't even get chance to change underwear

 

[SolarWarden]

So 12 GBU-57's all hitting same point on the mountain. somebody wanna do the math on how many meters that is? My brain doesn't wanna do any math right now it just wants ice cream.

 

[muz]

China is the biggest strategic loser here - Iran was China's leading supplier of cheap oil.

If the war drags on long enough US will move more assets from Pacific to Middle East
so it is both a loss and a win

 

[guangdongt]

Even Iran gives up its nuclear program, they will still go after Iran.

It is not about Iran is allowed to possess nuke or not, but to show some warranty to your business partner.

You need to understand the main subject.

You need to understand one thing, Iran is racing against time. It's normal for them to be suppressed before they have nuclear weapons. You wouldn't think that China fully supported North Korea's test of nuclear weapons, would you? North Korea was extremely difficult in the 1990s and was surrounded by the United States, South Korea, and Japan! At that time, China and Russia were completely powerless to provide any assistance. Similarly, Pakistan's nuclear weapons are no exception. All of these countries have seized the opportunity to squeeze into the nuclear weapons club! Finally, a tacit understanding was established among nuclear weapon states! Iran's possession of nuclear weapons is a ruler. If you can't get through it, you're not a strong country. A country protected by the strong will never go far. The gap between the South and the West lies in its allies. Your dream of leading the Southern Alliance never existed. The South doesn't have an alliance because it hasn't developed as a whole. The wealthy East Asian countries are mostly deep-seated centrists! Latin American countries also have no intention of balancing these matters.Do you protect your military nuclear weapons for the sake of your business partners? You want to be the enemy of the whole world, that's yourself. We don't have such unrealistic ideas

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Iran has not gone all in with China and has hedged their bets with other players like europe, Russia and India. Therefore while China and Iran are partners, they aren’t particularly close and there isn’t a high degree of mutual trust. With that said, China has seemed to have been supplying Iran covertly.

Anyways honestly what I can garner with what’s happened tonight is that this was done as a pre planned event between the US and Iran. Iran may retaliate and hit a couple abandoned US bases to save face, and that would also be agreed upon between Iran and the US.

What is clear is that Trump and Iran both do not want things to escalate and this is a solution to let all parties stand down. The big question is if Netanyahu and the Neocons will be satisfied by this obvious performative act? I guess we will see.

Because the Iranian leaders believe that China needs to treat them as an equal partner/comrade, not just a proxy pawn.

If they do believe if they have to launch a full scale against the west, China also needs to roll up its sleeves and step onto the ring and ready to fight.

If China wants to act like a big boss who sits behind and having them to fight and to bleed, they won't take that.

Persians are just people with pride, and want to act like a proxy pawn.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

To take back Taiwan as I have mentioned in the other post.

Since the TSMC can't move some of their production to the US, and the US semiconductor ecosystem will be in huge trouble if Taiwan falls into the hands of China.

China will maintain its technological ecosystem and keep growing stronger, while the US gonna lose everything, and the US decisionmakers haven't realized this fact.

Iran needs to be relieved with Taiwan.

I have stated previously TSMC is replicating its Taiwan-based manufacturing in the US.