Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Ali_Baba]

Good that Iran is getting a ceasefire. It is Irans surrender by any other name. Anyone who says Iran won anything from this has not being paying attention at all of what Israel did to Iran…

Iran has very very badly lost this conflict. Very embarrassing how Israel alone defanged Iran and created the opportunity for the B2 bombers to take out the underground facilities. I truly cannot think of any positives Iran can take from this.

Decades of finger waving and preparation to be taken down in a few days entirely for irans military capability.

Iran had no idea at all of how to fight an actual war at any point since this conflict started. Totally totally lost, confused on not having any military strategy of any kind at all. Iran never developed a battlefield battle plan at all. They simply copied Israel on a tit for tat basis. They lost most of their launchers, and what happened to their cruise missiles and drone fleets is unknown.

If you read trumps post, which has now been confirmed by Qatar, there is only one logical conclusion you can make. Iran begged for a ceasefire and Trump gave them very bad terms for it by making Iran ceasefire FIRST for 6hrs before Israel’s ceasefire. This is official acknowledgement of Iranian surrender……

 

[Pak-Warrior]

I was thinking how MIRVs will perform against Israeli AD especially against systems like THAAD. Will it shoot it down before the MIRV deployment and if the MIRV re entry will be faster than the missile itself?

MIRVs definitely pose a challenge to BMD systems. The deployment happens before re-entry into atmosphere, In addition, MIRVs can be programmed when to do the deployment according to different target selections. MIRVs can also carry decoys. Mostly likely, THAAD will have to engage each warhead separately.

 

[Khanivore]

 

[hussain0216]

Most of the damage done to Iran was by the traitors that assassinated key leadership figures and attacked air defense systems.

I don't think I have seen a level of 5th columnists so effectively hurt a nation as these atheist Caucasian wannabes achieved.

Iran needs a full clean and I'm sure there are thousands of sleeper cells with drones and spike missiles ready to continue the war at a lower level.

And some iranians themselves will be hesitant

They would rather just blame khameni or the government and give a free ride to the traitors and the groups who actively attacked Iran

The government deserves scrutiny and blame, but at the moment Iran needs unity and strength

But it can't forgive or forget what the liberal, shah supporting types did, their needs to be a blood bath

 

[Musings]

Still cant find any official confirmation of ceasefire from Iran?

I think they have confirmed it now officially but i think there is a window of 6 hours before it comes complete
- lets hope there are no false flags

 

[SecularNationalist]

Lol I think you was following another war

No are you blind.
A ceasefire is all over news.
Though confirmation from irani side is needed.

 

[Watandar]

This is a cynical game by China and Russia: They would only get more involved if the Iranian regime itself was falling, otherwise okay to let the American resources bleed away from Russia and China in yet another Middle Eastern war.
One day Americans are going to really really understand how Netanyahu's personal, idealistic wars spanning three decades and counting drained the American empire. Otherwise, Americans, starting Bill Clinton 1992, were content to give a token 'state' to the Palestinians and concentrate elsewhere. Bill made several attempts, to his credit.

Bill Clinton did nothing. Only President and Secretary of State who actually pushed Israel to talk to and negotiate with Palestinians was GHW Bush and Jim Baker. It's why you have Oslo 1992. Subsequent American administrations went back to favoring Israel one sidedly.

 

[BigMela2onin]

Iran has enough money for arms purchases

The savings from funding Syria alone will be enough to find purchases for Iran

Why did Syria refund our money or something? There is also the cost of rebuilding what has been destroyed.

 

[Yommie]

 

[Meengla]

Lol who will sell Iran weapons ? Who dares?

Last substantial military purchase by IR was back in the early 90's. Do you understand what that means.

Russia, China, North Korea, if they would be able to, wouldn't give a damn about supplying anyone--if they were capable. Russia has too much to worry about these days so I don't want to be too harsh on them.

 

[Persian Gulf]

@ShapurII @Immortals

we shot down 3-4 Hermes-900 drones today alone (after shooting down 1 across all the other days) across different regions of central/west Iran

the tide of air defence was turning and Israel cannot sustain such ridiculous sortie rates for so long

Israel does not have that many MALE drones! Houthis shot 8 US MQ-9 drones in 2 months and US was not able to move to their planned phase 2!

we could clear the air of Israeli MALE drones within a few weeks then have much better FOE!

Israel's missile interceptors are already very low with a 90% interception rate falling to barely 50% already! even with small 10-15 missile salvos per day!

instead we accept a ceasefire now during Israel's peak! what kind of treason is this?

 

[MH.Yang]

Your China sat on its hands and did the usual NOTHING.

Why do you think countries should suddenly look to you as somebody special compared to all the other usual hand sitters? You leadership is just as lacking as theirs.

This time, with the Israeli massacre of the Palestinians, the video spread to all corners of the globe, and the reputation of Jews and Americans around the globe has declined immensely. Even European political flag-bearers like Greta Thunberg started investing in the anti-Jewish side. The United Nations began to see 200:2 votes, and countries like Brazil did not hesitate to attack the United States and Israel. You don't think there aren't major powers behind all of this, do you? Do you think it could be Russia?

China standing by and doing nothing? China just doesn't need to do it on its own, and there's no way China won't have any temper when Iran betrays it over the 25 year deal.

 

[tower9]

Pathetic cowardly Zionist scum

 

[Yommie]

 

[lamdacore]

Iran did not win in the sense of how the conflict was taking place. Yes, it's nuclear activities are not eliminated but Mossad's spy network is very much active who are going to destroy the remaining critical assets during 'peace' time. They will find the enriched uranium and take it away or destroy it and they will routinely kill IRGC leaders and nuclear scientists. They will target their ballistic missile program through sabotage and espionage etc.

Basically, Iran has been exposed to be a paper tiger and will face destabising internal forces because clearly it has very poor counter intelligence.

So, while on the surface it may seem that they have survived...the reality is that they have been so badly infiltrated that it is anyone's guess if they can escape it. They are completely compromised.

Iran will have to first clean house, build counter intelligence capabilities, realign with proper regional powers to build allies and rebuild it's Air Force. It's strategy of proxy war has fallen flat on its face. Ideally, they would kick out Indians, embrace Pakistan, China and Russia and build a cohesive force for their benefit. This is going to take a very long time.